5 most dangerous states in America

Homeland

New Member
What's your point? That shall issue is in-effective and should be done away with? 41 of our 50 states are shall issue. There are no states that have 'no issue'.

No, not at all. I just think this debunks the myth that shall issue states create less crime. I hear that here all the time but this doesn't seem to match what people say!
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
No, not at all. I just think this debunks the myth that shall issue states create less crime. I hear that here all the time but this doesn't seem to match what people say!

I would like to see how many of these states have the highest incidents of criminals shot while in the act of a crime .
Shot by a citizen defending them,selves. Perhaps these states are also the most dangerous for criminals.
 

Homeland

New Member
I would like to see how many of these states have the highest incidents of criminals shot while in the act of a crime .
Shot by a citizen defending them,selves. Perhaps these states are also the most dangerous for criminals.

Maybe. All speculation though, but what we KNOW is they are the most dangerous for citizens, who, if they chose to could arm themselves.
 

GW8345

Not White House Approved
No, not at all. I just think this debunks the myth that shall issue states create less crime. I hear that here all the time but this doesn't seem to match what people say!

So you are going to take an article by a known left leaning website as gospel.............

I think it would be more accurate to state that the most dangerous states to criminals are the following, then just saying that those are the most dangerous states. If you shot a criminal while defending yourself/property it's still considered a homicide so I think they are skewing the data to fit their agenda. Just me personal opinion.......................
 

GregV814

Well-Known Member
No, not at all. I just think this debunks the myth that shall issue states create less crime. I hear that here all the time but this doesn't seem to match what people say!



Maybe because all are Democrat run States and the Police have given up! Put that in your bong and smoke it!!!
 

Monello

Smarter than the average bear
PREMO Member
Alaska data is a bit misleading. The state has about 730,000 people living there. Many US cities have way more people in them. Then the fact that sexual assault is 4 times greater for the native population than the overall population. That would create outliers that push the state to the top of the list.

I've spent a lot of time in Alaska. I've felt safer there than I've felt in cites like say Baltimore. The locals sure are unique in their approach to every day life. I guess you would have to be to endure their long, dark winters. But overall the place is safe and if you use common sense just like you would in any area.
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
Alaska data is a bit misleading. The state has about 730,000 people living there. Many US cities have way more people in them. Then the fact that sexual assault is 4 times greater for the native population than the overall population. That would create outliers that push the state to the top of the list.

I've spent a lot of time in Alaska. I've felt safer there than I've felt in cites like say Baltimore. The locals sure are unique in their approach to every day life. I guess you would have to be to endure their long, dark winters. But overall the place is safe and if you use common sense just like you would in any area.

It's the Polar Bears. They're always breaking in and stealing stuff.
 

Homeland

New Member
So you are going to take an article by a known left leaning website as gospel.............

I think it would be more accurate to state that the most dangerous states to criminals are the following, then just saying that those are the most dangerous states. If you shot a criminal while defending yourself/property it's still considered a homicide so I think they are skewing the data to fit their agenda. Just me personal opinion.......................

The numbers were from the FBI reports. They didn't talk about homicide, but murder which, is not a justifiable homicide. Do you have different statistics from the same period from the FBI or are you just talking out of your bottom?
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
No, not at all. I just think this debunks the myth that shall issue states create less crime. I hear that here all the time but this doesn't seem to match what people say!

I think it would if 1) it was easier to get and 2) people actually exercised that right. The campaign to pin guns as bad and should be feared is working and people fear carrying. Then there's the fear of actually using it and having to justify it through an arcane legal system.
 

Midnightrider

Well-Known Member
I think it would if 1) it was easier to get and 2) people actually exercised that right. The campaign to pin guns as bad and should be feared is working and people fear carrying. Then there's the fear of actually using it and having to justify it through an arcane legal system.

shall issue is 'shall issue'. its not hard to get and in alaska a lot of people carry openly. :shrug:
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
shall issue is 'shall issue'. its not hard to get and in alaska a lot of people carry openly. :shrug:

Alaska's laws do not prohibit anyone 21 or older who may legally possess a firearm from carrying it concealed. A special permit is only required if an Alaska resident seeks reciprocity from another state while traveling.
 

Midnightrider

Well-Known Member
Alaska's laws do not prohibit anyone 21 or older who may legally possess a firearm from carrying it concealed. A special permit is only required if an Alaska resident seeks reciprocity from another state while traveling.

well there you go :yay:

yet they are still at the top of the list.....
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
An interesting article on Alaskan crime:

Why Alaska Is So Dangerous

For many remote Alaskan communities only accessible by plane, the biggest danger isn't nature. Rather, it's the villagers themselves and the unavailability of any law enforcement to protect victims.

There are at least 75 Native American Alaskan villages that don't have any law enforcement, reports the Washington Post. Isolated by long distances and difficult terrain, those residents must report crimes and wait for Alaska State Troopers to arrive in the village after hours of traveling.

Alaska has one of the highest violent crime rates in the U.S., at 603.2 violent crimes per 100,000 compared to a national average of 386.9, according to the FBI's 2012 crime report. That includes nearly 80 rapes per 100,000 residents in 2012 compared to a national average of 26.9, more than any other state.

“Unfortunately, there are places in rural Alaska that if a woman is raped or a child is beaten, that victim might not get any help whatsoever,” Associate Attorney General Tony West told The Washington Post. “It can take a day and a half before responders show up to the scene of a crime or to a call for help. Imagine if you were a victim of violence and you can’t get help because weather conditions don’t allow you to get out of your village. Where are you supposed to go? You have nowhere to go.”

So the high crime has less to do with guns and more to do with LE response time.
 
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