A Student Writes to God

[PsyOps]

And when people are mentally disturbed? And They were born that way? And they kill somone? That blows your theory to hell.

It’s not my theory. God will judge all of us, the mentally ill and those that are not. If a person is deemed mentally ill and commits murder do we allow them to remain in society? No. We put them in an institution to protect the public. Judgment is still placed on them. But God will have His own judgment on that person. It’s not for any of us to decide. Some would argue that mental illness is a result of our sin (separation from God). I don’t necessarily subscribe to that; I don’t know God that deeply to say. I would be willing to argue that this mentally ill person was neglected by a Godless family or society as the reason that mentally ill person was compelled to commit such a heinous act, and this is a result of our increasingly growing Godless society.

And yes, I believe that would be God's answer. Of course we are acknowledeged for what we do right. Hello? Isn't that the whole reason you believe in religon?

First of all, I don’t believe in religion. I have a faith in God and his Son Jesus. You should try to learn the difference.

Secondly, I don’t believe so I would be recognized for doing the right thing, I believe because it IS the right thing. Do you obey the speed limit because you want to be recognized for it? Do you NOT commit murder because you want to be recognized for not killing someone? No, you avoid doing these things because they are wrong, and you want to do the right thing, at least I would hope so.

 

[2ndAmendment]

... Some would argue that mental illness is a result of our sin (separation from God). I don’t necessarily subscribe to that; I don’t know God that deeply to say. I would be willing to argue that this mentally ill person was neglected by a Godless family or society as the reason that mentally ill person was compelled to commit such a heinous act, and this is a result of our increasingly growing Godless society.
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I would point out that those in the Bible that would be considered mentally ill today were actually demon possessed. They were healed by Jesus when He cast out the demons. I contend that many (all?) mentally ill don't just suffer from separation from God but are possessed.

Now to answer those that will ask, "You believe in demons?" Yes. Jesus did. Who am I to contradict Jesus.

 

[PsyOps]

I would point out that those in the Bible that would be considered mentally ill today were actually demon possessed. They were healed by Jesus when He cast out the demons. I contend that many (all?) mentally ill don't just suffer from separation from God but are possessed.

Now to answer those that will ask, "You believe in demons?" Yes. Jesus did. Who am I to contradict Jesus.

I'm not sure how to argue this, with other folks (especially non-believers), from a spiritual standpoint only because we have become so accustomed to things being defined in scientific or medical terms. Everything has a medical definition. To simply say a person with a mental illness is demon possessed, even in most churches, would be rejected. I have a cousin who suffered from hydroencephalitis as a child. It caused him brain damage that has left him mentally handicapped. I wouldn’t dare say he is demon possessed. However, back in Jesus’ time, I’m sure he would have been considered demon possessed. As to which are demon possessed and which aren’t is not up to me to decide. They need love and care just like any other person and their neglect can result in disastrous problems. I would have to say a parent that neglects their mentally ill child is more likely to be possessed than the mentally ill child.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

I'm not sure how to argue this,

I have a cousin who suffered from hydroencephalitis as a child. It caused him brain damage that has left him mentally handicapped. I wouldn’t dare say he is demon possessed.

They need love and care just like any other person and their neglect can result in disastrous problems. I would have to say a parent that neglects their mentally ill child is more likely to be possessed than the mentally ill child.

So you agrue with "Geek" when she points out that the mentally disurbed are watched over by God,

but for your own cousin - he needs love and care.

 

[PsyOps]

So you agrue with "Geek" when she points out that the mentally disurbed are watched over by God,

but for your own cousin - he needs love and care.

JPC... We all need love and care. We are all watched over by God. But we also make decisions that we will have to answer to God for. I ahve no idea how God will deal with a mentally ill person that commits murder as apposed to someone that is not mentally ill.

Mentally ill people are more reliant on someone to help with difficult decisions. My cousin is almost 50 now and is quite self-sufficient. But growing up he needed care into his adult years that I didn't need because of his mental illness. If he didn't receive this care I have no idea how he would have turned out. With any "normal" person we know neglect can have disasterous results. With someone that is mentally ill the changes multiply exponentially.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I'm not sure how to argue this, with other folks (especially non-believers), from a spiritual standpoint only because we have become so accustomed to things being defined in scientific or medical terms. Everything has a medical definition. To simply say a person with a mental illness is demon possessed, even in most churches, would be rejected. I have a cousin who suffered from hydroencephalitis as a child. It caused him brain damage that has left him mentally handicapped. I wouldn’t dare say he is demon possessed. However, back in Jesus’ time, I’m sure he would have been considered demon possessed. As to which are demon possessed and which aren’t is not up to me to decide. They need love and care just like any other person and their neglect can result in disastrous problems. I would have to say a parent that neglects their mentally ill child is more likely to be possessed than the mentally ill child.

You will notice that I did not say that all mentally ill are demon possessed. I do believe that many that are diagnosed with mental disorders would be better served by prayer and casting out demons than being given drugs. Discerning which is which is cause for much prayer which is markedly absent in most psychiatric offices from what I have seen. And no, not as a patient but as a supportive person to a patient.

 

[Kain99]

How is that the original post became so confused? (Geek)

We have all been so bombared with politically correct Bull hockey that we buy every single excuse thrown our way!

It's ridiculous! Come on people.....

 

[PsyOps]

You will notice that I did not say that all mentally ill are demon possessed. I do believe that many that are diagnosed with mental disorders would be better served by prayer and casting out demons than being given drugs. Discerning which is which is cause for much prayer which is markedly absent in most psychiatric offices from what I have seen. And no, not as a patient but as a supportive person to a patient.

The one thing I will say about this is Jesus was able to heal those who were demon possessed (or in clinical definitions, mentally ill). Being that we humans don't have the faith of a mustard seed we are unable to heal these people with our faith. Thankfully there are medical answers to this just as we found medical answers to leprosy and polio, etc... Many believe that the woes of this earth (like mental illness) are a result of our sin. It’s not coincidence that AIDS comes along when our sexual behavior reaches an all-time low. Take that for what its worth. And I don’t think Jesus healed anyone so he could give them a longer life or relieve them of their pain. In the Godly infinite perspective of things, everyone lives and dies on this earth in an instant. Jesus did it to show God’s love for us and to show who He really is. Bringing the mentally ill into this debate serves no other purpose than as a distraction from the topical point. Why are our kids going bad? What are the answers that would explain the moral decline of our children? I can’t explain what compels a mentally ill person to commit murder or if they can even understand what they are doing. I would say it is an extreme rare thing as compared to what our “normal” kids are doing. But I can certainly explain why our kids, that are not mentally ill, are heading toward destruction and much of it is in the original post of this thread. Many of you are in denial of this.

And as I type this I see there was, yet, another shooting at one of our schools in Ohio.

 

[2ndAmendment]

... But I can certainly explain why our kids, that are not mentally ill, are heading toward destruction and much of it is in the original post of this thread. Many of you are in denial of this.

And as I type this I see there was, yet, another shooting at one of our schools in Ohio.

Christian faith is in decline. Most Christians walk in fear of offending those around them. Jesus said He and His message is offensive to those that are lost. Since the path to destruction is wide and easy, it stands to reason that most are lost and would take offense at the Gospel.

Many children, maybe most, are raised in homes where it may be stated that the parents believe in God but never go to church or pray or show any display of faith. As James said, faith without action is dead. God provides the absolute measure; His word provides the measure of right and wrong. Without that, everything is relative; people are free to define right and wrong for themselves and personal responsibility is totally lost except for very few that observe God's law by themselves.

Children are seeking limits. Parents need to set them; be parents; be in control; provide discipline; provide praise; provide guidance; provide unconditional love. Children will push until someone pushes back. All too often in this day and age, parents don't and eventually the law does or violence intervenes and lives are lost. God's word is the absolute standard on which limits should be placed.

 

[Geek]

Christian faith is in decline. Most Christians walk in fear of offending those around them. Jesus said He and His message is offensive to those that are lost. Since the path to destruction is wide and easy, it stands to reason that most are lost and would take offense at the Gospel.

Many children, maybe most, are raised in homes where it may be stated that the parents believe in God but never go to church or pray or show any display of faith. As James said, faith without action is dead. God provides the absolute measure; His word provides the measure of right and wrong. Without that, everything is relative; people are free to define right and wrong for themselves and personal responsibility is totally lost except for very few that observe God's law by themselves.

Children are seeking limits. Parents need to set them; be parents; be in control; provide discipline; provide praise; provide guidance; provide unconditional love. Children will push until someone pushes back. All too often in this day and age, parents don't and eventually the law does or violence intervenes and lives are lost. God's word is the absolute standard on which limits should be placed.

You make good points 2A.

I don't go to church anymore. I show my kids through my example by trying hard everyday to be a good person. We pray at night and discuss life's lessons and choices so we can try harder to be better people. I have my own person relationship with God and Jesus. I accept all people that live a good life and show by their actions that they increase positive energy in the world. I don't need God in school, because I am placing Him in the hearts and heads of my children, so He goes where ever they go.

My anger with he OP's copy/paste morality statement is that God is always with you, no matter which building you happen to be standing in. And He is there in the most dire situations, when you need Him most.

 

[2ndAmendment]

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My anger with he OP's copy/paste morality statement is that God is always with you, no matter which building you happen to be standing in. And He is there in the most dire situations, when you need Him most.

As long as you know to call on Him. Most don't or choose not to.

 

[Starman3000m]

(2 Timothy 3:1-4)

1: This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2: For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3: Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4: Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

Stay tuned for more, as reported in daily papers and on TV News!

Two Days After This Post - The Following News:

October 08, 2007 09:15am

AdelaideNow... Jilted cop shoots six youths dead

"A POLICE officer dumped by his ex-girlfriend has gone on a shooting rampage at a party in a small US town, killing six youths before being shot dead by a sniper.
The suspect, reported widely to be 20-year-old Tyler Petersen, was an employee of the Forest County Sheriff's Department and a part-time officer for the Police Department in the town of Crandon, Wisconsin, where the shootings occurred."

And in Today's News:

Ohio school gunman kills self, wounds 4
Ohio school gunman kills self, wounds 4 - Yahoo! News
By JOE MILICIA, Associated Press Writer

"A 14-year-old suspended student opened fire in his downtown high school Wednesday, wounding four people as terrified schoolmates hid in closets and bathrooms and huddled under laboratory.

A fellow student at SuccessTech Academy alternative school said Asa H. Coon, who was suspended for fighting two days earlier, had made threats in front of students and teachers last week."


And Students Will Still Ask God, "WHY?"

Folks, things were never this bad before (at least when I was in school) and the most important thing we can do is to pray for America's youth and Pray for the families who have lost children to senseless shootings as these within the past few days.

 

[2ndAmendment]

...
Ohio school gunman kills self, wounds 4
Ohio school gunman kills self, wounds 4 - Yahoo! News
By JOE MILICIA, Associated Press Writer

"A 14-year-old suspended student opened fire in his downtown high school Wednesday, wounding four people as terrified schoolmates hid in closets and bathrooms and huddled under laboratory.

A fellow student at SuccessTech Academy alternative school said Asa H. Coon, who was suspended for fighting two days earlier, had made threats in front of students and teachers last week."....

I heard this morning on the news that the 14 year old and another boy had been suspended for fighting. The fight was over whether God is real. The shooter did not believe God is real and worshiped Marilyn Manson.

FOXNews.com - Student Gunman Previously Warned Classmates of Attack, Had Mental Problems
Coon's troubles seemed to come to a breaking point this week. Students said Monday's fight was over God — Coon told his classmates he didn't believe in God and instead worshiped rocker Marilyn Manson.

We prayed and said the Pledge of Allegiance at the beginning of every school day when I was in public school. Schools were not "gun free" zones; some kids brought guns to school to hunt before and after school. That was in PG County outside D.C. in the late 50's. We had fights; even some of the kids that had guns had fights. No one ever shot anyone.

 

[Dondi]

Your entire argument falls apart because you used the Amish school. Do you really think that God was excluded from the Amish school?

Isn't it just a little bit pompous to put your words into God's mouth?

Isn't it a bit sacreligious for you to say that the laws of man could actually exclude God from any place He wants to be?

I understand the point of your post, that you believe it is wrong to exclude God from schools, but this post is having the opposite effect. You should rethink posting every piece of glurge that comes through your inbox and actually read it for comprehension first.

I know I'm late in the game, but I have to nitpick. It isn't that God was excluded from the Amish School, for as you well know that the gunman wasn't Amish. Hello?

Charles Carl Roberts was anguished over the fact that he molested two female relatives some 20 years before and had been having dreams of doing it again. Plus he was despondant over the death of a daughter that died twenty minutes after birth, according to his suicide note.

So in this case, it is irrevelant to say that God wasn't in this Amish school when the perp wasn't from the Amish community. Indeed, the Spirit of God was there evident by the fact that the entire community forgave Roberts for what he did.

 

[MMDad]

I know I'm late in the game, but I have to nitpick. It isn't that God was excluded from the Amish School, for as you well know that the gunman wasn't Amish. Hello?

Charles Carl Roberts was anguished over the fact that he molested two female relatives some 20 years before and had been having dreams of doing it again. Plus he was despondant over the death of a daughter that died twenty minutes after birth, according to his suicide note.

So in this case, it is irrevelant to say that God wasn't in this Amish school when the perp wasn't from the Amish community. Indeed, the Spirit of God was there evident by the fact that the entire community forgave Roberts for what he did.

I agree. That was my point. And that is what makes the original post in this thread irrelevant. By listing the Amish shooting as an example of God not being allowed in schools, the entire post becomes questionable.

It is a lesson that blindly posting everything that comes through your email inbox is the lazy way out. Read it, comprehend it, look for the truth. If it's not true, don't pass it on. Pretty simple, really.

 

[Geek]

I agree. That was my point. And that is what makes the original post in this thread irrelevant. By listing the Amish shooting as an example of God not being allowed in schools, the entire post becomes questionable.

It is a lesson that blindly posting everything that comes through your email inbox is the lazy way out. Read it, comprehend it, look for the truth. If it's not true, don't pass it on. Pretty simple, really.

You rock.

 

[Xaquin44]

I know I'm late in the game, but I have to nitpick. It isn't that God was excluded from the Amish School, for as you well know that the gunman wasn't Amish. Hello?

Charles Carl Roberts was anguished over the fact that he molested two female relatives some 20 years before and had been having dreams of doing it again. Plus he was despondant over the death of a daughter that died twenty minutes after birth, according to his suicide note.

So in this case, it is irrevelant to say that God wasn't in this Amish school when the perp wasn't from the Amish community. Indeed, the Spirit of God was there evident by the fact that the entire community forgave Roberts for what he did.

I'd wager the spirit of god would have been better off saving the childrens innocent lives.

 

[PsyOps]

I agree. That was my point. And that is what makes the original post in this thread irrelevant. By listing the Amish shooting as an example of God not being allowed in schools, the entire post becomes questionable.

It is a lesson that blindly posting everything that comes through your email inbox is the lazy way out. Read it, comprehend it, look for the truth. If it's not true, don't pass it on. Pretty simple, really.

You’re going to weed out one input on that entire list and deem the entire thing irrelevant? Did you ever consider the perpetrator of the Amish school shooting is a product of all the things listed as reasons why these things happen in the first place? The larger point to the article has less to do with our schools and more to do with the moral decline of our society. Schools being a major central part in the education of our children they are being raised to believe some pretty twisted ideals. The removal of the mention of God from every aspect of public voice (especially our schools) is believed by many to explain why our kids are growing up to be violent criminals at younger and younger ages. Attempting to extract a single line in order to disclaim the larger point only proves that you missed the larger point.