A "Well Regulated Militia" .....
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Larry Gude
Strung Out
Is it fair to say Team Obama paid a lot better?
"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785
"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 19, 1785
"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824
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Pixelated
How tedious:
"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." - George Mason
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people" - James Madison
“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves..." - Richard Henry Lee
"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." - Elbridge Gerry
The left remains on their constant pursuit to destroy the militia (the people) in their attempt to establish the government as the authority to rule over us. March on boy!
"I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." - George Mason
"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people" - James Madison
“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves..." - Richard Henry Lee
"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." - Elbridge Gerry
The left remains on their constant pursuit to destroy the militia (the people) in their attempt to establish the government as the authority to rule over us. March on boy!
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Chris0nllyn
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"unregulated"?
One could argue it's the most regulated right guaranteed by the Constitution.
One could argue it's the most regulated right guaranteed by the Constitution.
True..switching over to the modern definition of "regulated". As we all know, "well regulated", in the context of the times, had absolutely nothing to do with "regulations", as we use the term today.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
On another note, is it correct that I can't buy a ####ing M1A in Maryland but I can buy a .308 AR??????????????????
Yup.
The M1A is nice for nostalgia, but the .308 is just so much more practical these days.
Chris0nllyn
Well-Known Member
Cash and carry too.
Umm...the concept of the picture is pitting the founding fathers against the likes of Ted Nugent and the NRA. Really isn't that hard to understand...BSD...Boy's meme's really aren't created for Mensa members...and yet, as dumbed down as they are you still couldn't understand this?
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Pixelated
You can rationalize in any way you want; but the progressive left have made it clear that the rights of the people are subservient to the betterment of our safety and who is best to ensure that safety; therefore we are to be stripped of our rights and hand over to the government our safety. I provided a quote from one of our founders (Elbridge Gerry) that explained why they chose the word 'militia' when talking about gun rights; that it would be an armed PEOPLE - not government - that would protect us from tyranny. That is would be a government, with a standing army that would be used to strip us of our rights; and this could only happen when we - THE PEOPLE, WHO ARE THE MILITIA - are disarmed.
As dumbed-down as you want to make boy’s meme, the overarching purpose these progressives have is to disarm the people and hand all authority of being armed over to the government. You’re a pretty smart guy, yet unable to see this. We – THE PEOPLE – are too dangerous to be trusted with arms; it says so right in the meme “well armed populace that threatens domestic tranquility”. We, the people are just too dangerous to be trusted with guns. Yet the government should be more trusted than the people that elect them.
Everyone ought to find this especially troubling.
LC_Sulla
New Member
Question(s): What are we to make of the bolded above? Were not many of the Founding Father's against a standing army? Yet, we have them (air, sea, and ground). Is there an impact based on the reality that we have standing armies, and that a standing army is probably a requirement in the modern world?
Comment(s): I believe a certain part (if not a great part) of people's thoughts and opinions are formed by their experiences and the times in which they lived. Thus, I do not believe that the Founding Father's opinions and thoughts on these matters would be the same today as then.
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Pixelated
On your second point… I think it’s important to try to understand why our founders chose the words they used, and what they meant about them. To understand this, we have to look at their extended comments. It’s clear they intended for all able people to be armed. This wasn’t even a suggestion; they felt it was imperative because they knew the danger of a government with an army at its disposal to oppress the people. We’ve seen this happen over and over again throughout history. This possibility is no less true today than it was 240 years ago. So, even though we don’t really form militias today, we still have the ability to do so as long as we are all armed.
To your question… It’s been my belief that our elected ‘leaders’ keep us in a state of constant war/conflict to justify a standing military. Too much insider money to be lost if we stand down out military. We’ve come accustomed to it and accept it as normal. Thankfully, so far, our military has been in pretty good hands as not to be turned against us in an attempt to establish tyranny. But that is the danger; and you can be sure when a country hangs around long enough, someone will be put into power that will use this military to rule over us rather than defend us.
But, the evolving nature of our standing military aside, is there any reason to believe that their belief that every man has the right to own a firearm and, indeed, should own a firearm, for other reasons as well? To oppose or prevent the establishment of a tyrannical government, for example, and for personal defense, at all times everywhere.
Chris0nllyn
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Thankfully, when determining constitutionality of something, the courts typically go back and determine how language was meant during the time.
Our Founding Fathers would be woefully upset in terms of where we are and how our opinions have shifted away from their original intent.