Abortion

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rmorse

Well-Known Member
Lurk said:
I came through my mother's birth canal intact so someone else's 'choice' didn't damage me. But it sure as hell ruined that baby's day.
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To clarify, when I said it was mentally damaging.... I was speaking to the mother of the child being aborted. Not the child.


Your last statement "ruined that baby's day" is not exactly fact. Your definition of a baby differs from others. Personally, I do not believe a fetus is anything more than a pile of cells, at a week old. Difference of opinion. Some people don't believe it's a "baby" until birth. Others think that it's right when the egg and sperm join forces to become CAPTAIN PLANET! Others think that all form of birth control is evil, and killing babies....
 
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rmorse

Well-Known Member
bcp said:
Which baby is not damaged by it.
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Not valid, as everyone's definition differs. For my definition of a baby, every baby would be damaged by it.

EDIT: But I'll repeat myself... when I said damaging, I was referring to JUST THE MOTHER. Not the fetus. I'm not saying that the baby/fetus isn't damaged by it, just that that wasn't what I was originally referring to.
 
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Kris10

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I'm pro-choice so I guess that makes me "for it". That said, I don't think it should be used as a form of birth control. I mean, I don't think anyone should have multiple abortions.
 
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TSS

New Member
Against it for all reasons. Why would anyone believe it is OK to kill a human being for any reason. I know some think it is OK in the case of rape or incest but should you receive a death sentance if your father commits rape or incest? Abortion should not be used to save a mother. But everything should be done to save to save both the mother and the baby and if doing this kills the baby then at least it was not intentional.
 
RoseRed

RoseRed

American Beauty
PREMO Member
TSS said:
Against it for all reasons. Why would anyone believe it is OK to kill a human being for any reason. I know some think it is OK in the case of rape or incest but should you receive a death sentance if your father commits rape or incest? Abortion should not be used to save a mother. But everything should be done to save to save both the mother and the baby and if doing this kills the baby then at least it was not intentional.
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What if the mother dies? Is that considered unintentional?
 
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TSS

New Member
As I said every thing should also be done to save her. You should never directly kill either one of them. If, in spite of the best medical efforts, one or both of them die, nothing morally wrong has been done, because an effort has been made to save life, but has failed. That is far different from killing.
 
RoseRed

RoseRed

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PREMO Member
TSS said:
As I said every thing should also be done to save her. You should never directly kill either one of them. If, in spite of the best medical efforts, one or both of them die, nothing morally wrong has been done, because an effort has been made to save life, but has failed. That is far different from killing.
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Case scenario: Your wife gets pregnant. Doctor tells her that if she carries this baby it could very well kill her and the baby both. He suggests an abortion to prevent her from losing her and the baby's lives. You, having this knowledge, would rather risk the two of them? How would you live with yourself once they are both gone, knowing that it could have been prevented?
 
KDENISE977

KDENISE977

New Member
RoseRed said:
Case scenario: Your wife gets pregnant. Doctor tells her that if she carries this baby it could very well kill her and the baby both. He suggests an abortion to prevent her from losing her and the baby's lives. You, having this knowledge, would rather risk the two of them? How would you live with yourself once they are both gone, knowing that it could have been prevented?
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In the psych ward, which is prob. the current IP address.
 
bcp

bcp

In My Opinion
TSS said:
As I said every thing should also be done to save her. You should never directly kill either one of them. If, in spite of the best medical efforts, one or both of them die, nothing morally wrong has been done, because an effort has been made to save life, but has failed. That is far different from killing.
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I dont agree.
the mothers life needs to come first, if saving her means losing the baby, then that although a very sad moment, is how it should be. Unless the mother is a lifelong welfare queen then at all costs save the baby over her. The baby might grow up and become something of value to society.. on the other hand, it could grow up to be another obama. Tough choice.
 
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TSS

New Member
I would ask her and the doctor to do everything possible to save both and my wifes first, short of an direct abortion. If that happens to end my babys life at least I know we tried, if not it would be hard to for me knowing we did not try. There are good pro life doctors that know the best procedures. There is no medical situation whose only solution is a direct abortion, as many doctors have testified.
 
RoseRed

RoseRed

American Beauty
PREMO Member
TSS said:
I would ask her and the doctor to do everything possible to save both and my wifes first, short of an direct abortion. If that happens to end my babys life at least I know we tried, if not it would be hard to for me knowing we did not try. There are good pro life doctors that know the best procedures. There is no medical situation whose only solution is a direct abortion, as many doctors have testified.
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What if she wanted to have the abortion in order to save her own life?
 
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TSS

New Member
I think we would have to talk about it and I would try to get her to go as far as she could without an abortion. As I said according to reliable doctors there are never any reasons for a direct abortion to save a mother. Say she she had cancer I would back her totally to go through all treatment, if the doctors could not find a way to save the baby because of the treatment then we would regretably lose our child, but we would not be killing the baby.
 
BadGirl

BadGirl

I am so very blessed
Fundamentally, I am -personally - against abortion.

Having said that, I think far more women who are incapable of adequately caring for their children (meaning providing a loving, nurturing environment) should have abortions.

There. I said it. More women should have more abortions.
 
bcp

bcp

In My Opinion
RoseRed said:
Case scenario: Your wife gets pregnant. Doctor tells her that if she carries this baby it could very well kill her and the baby both. He suggests an abortion to prevent her from losing her and the baby's lives. You, having this knowledge, would rather risk the two of them? How would you live with yourself once they are both gone, knowing that it could have been prevented?
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Does this case scenario wife come with my real life mother in law?

they invented the coin flip for a reason.
 
ZARA

ZARA

Registered User
I'm probably gonna get blasted on this, but that's ok.

I DO NOT WANT ANY RAPIST REPRODUCING- KILL OFF HIS ENTIRE GENETIC CODE.

Personalities are genetic. It is passed down through the family line.

Want to argue the point...go do some research first and be sure you have your facts straight.

Then think about the family members that did not spend a lot of time with so-n-so family member but acts just like them...
 
mamatutu

mamatutu

mama to two
ZARA said:
I'm probably gonna get blasted on this, but that's ok.

I DO NOT WANT ANY RAPIST REPRODUCING- KILL OFF HIS ENTIRE GENETIC CODE.

Personalities are genetic. It is passed down through the family line.

Want to argue the point...go do some research first and be sure you have your facts straight.

Then think about the family members that did not spend a lot of time with so-n-so family member but acts just like them...
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Thank you. I raised my son without his bio father since he was 4 years old, and he not only looks like his father, but has the mannerisms, and the same sociopath characteristics. I was fighting a lot more than I ever knew, until I, also, did the research. I always thought my son would be the perfect "lab rat" to prove that some things are inborn. Yes, all you said is correct.
 
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