Active shooter at the Columbia Mall in Maryland!

[GW8345]

Let me just tell you that it's people like you who make liberals freaked out over guns and want them banned. Your position is not only ridiculous, it's incredibly irresponsible as well.

Seriously, you are not helping your cause.

I disagree, liberals put their trust in other people to protect them, to keep them safe. I don't want to trust another human being with protecting me and my family, that's my job.

The average police response is about 7 minutes, the average response from a .45 is 980 fps.

We have slowly given up our right to protect ourselves over the past 40 years because liberals are too stupid and lazy to protect themselves. Instead, they want everyone to rely on the police but in today's economy, police forces are scaling back their forces so there will be less police to respond and longer response time.

Also, I never said that everyone must be armed, only that those who wish to be armed should be given that opportunity without cumbersome laws and regulations. I should not have to prove I need to be armed, only that I am legally allowed to be by not being a felon or mentally ill. By me having to prove that I need to be armed is like you having to prove you need to vote and have a reason to vote.

If you want to trust others to protect you that's your right but I have a right to protect myself and right now, the currnet laws are restricting that right.

 

[edinsomd]

This is a much better argument than that stupid, "Yoo kin shoot 'em furst, I done seen it in the movies" bull####.

However the former cop who shot that man and his wife over a cellphone pretty much scotched any support for being allowed to carry in public places. Thanks for that, dumbass.

As long as there are idiots like that around, there will be opposition to CCW.

These idiots are projecting their own fears and stereotypes on things they don't understand. Yes, there will always be a small percentage of folks who would love to have the opportunity to fire their weapon in anger. The vast majority are very law abiding and know very well the ramifications of firing a shot in public. The ONLY reason is if one is in imminent fear of grave injury or death to oneself or another person.

 

[Retrodeb54]

Are you telling me that you have such poor situational awareness that you are not aware of what is going on around you!

Nope, in fact I'm very aware of my surroundings. I was saying that no circumstances or settings are ever the same. I could sit and type out scenarios too, saying how it could be handled.

Now, just imagine if I were to come up behind you, see you pointing a gun at a guy coming out of the dressing room. Your body blocking my view of the guy and I couldn't see the shotgun he had. Jane Citizen to the rescue, I pull my gun and shoot, YOU. See, its just all to iffy for me.

My signature stands.

Done,

 

[GW8345]

This is a much better argument than that stupid, "Yoo kin shoot 'em furst, I done seen it in the movies" bull####.

However the former cop who shot that man and his wife over a cellphone pretty much scotched any support for being allowed to carry in public places. Thanks for that, dumbass.

As long as there are idiots like that around, there will be opposition to CCW.

So we had one incident of a CCW permit holder using his weapon to shot innocent people but how many mass shooting have we had within the past year?

With you philosophy we should not be driving cars because of one drunk driver killed an innocent person, after all, the drunk driver had a drivers license.

We will never get rid of the idiots or stop all shootings but an armed society is a polite and law abiding society.

If you look back at our history, you will notice that crime has risen as more gun control laws have been enacted..........because only law abiding citizens follow gun control laws.

And look at the cities that have the most restricted gun control laws and look at their crime rates, Chicago, Washington DC, Detroit, NYC, then look at cities with the most pro-gun laws and look at their crime rates, see which one is lower.w

My argument doesn't make sense to you would rather put the responsibility for your safety in the hands of someone else. Me, I want to be responsible for my own families safety and not have to rely on someone else to save me when faced with someone with a gun.................and in today's day and age, we can never tell when we would be faced with a bad guy with a gun.

 

[Dakota]

Sadly, I think 1 or 2 would end up dead in mass shootings before a legit armed person would realize what was even going on & take action. I don't support giving everyone the right to carry but I feel that if those who qualify by going to a range, pass a mental evaluation (typically the basic paper test) and a criminal check should be allowed to carry. I'm sure they would be more than willing to pay a fee to cover the costs of the process. If these people were out in random society, unknown, it would add to our security, IMO.

Witnesses said yesterday that at first, they thought they heard fireworks... people were confused before it registered this was a shooting..... and although the police haven't confirmed the rumors, many who were in the store said he came out of the back of the store. Hank is right, they were ambushed.

You know the 911 call said this guy was a black male (#1 male) and a witness said he was white. I wonder if he is Hispanic?

I'm up and down but what little bit of searching I did online, he has next to no social media trace.

 

[GW8345]

Nope, in fact I'm very aware of my surroundings. I was saying that no circumstances or settings are ever the same. I could sit and type out scenarios too, saying how it could be handled.

Now, just imagine if I were to come up behind you, see you pointing a gun at a guy coming out of the dressing room. Your body blocking my view of the guy and I couldn't see the shotgun he had. Jane Citizen to the rescue, I pull my gun and shoot, YOU. See, its just all to iffy for me.

My signature stands.

Done,

If you come up behind me and just shoot me without knowing why I have my weapon drawn and without communicating with me.......you are an idiot and should not be carrying a weapon.

Obviously, you are one of those who shot first then figure out what's going one. Also, your scenario shows that you do not know how to handle the situation or a weapon properly and should just stick to carrying a can of mace.

I highly suggest you get some weapons training before you think about picking up a weapon, let alone carry it in public.

 

[GW8345]

Sadly, I think 1 or 2 would end up dead in mass shootings before a legit armed person would realize what was even going on & take action. I don't support giving everyone the right to carry but I feel that if those who qualify by going to a range, pass a mental evaluation (typically the basic paper test) and a criminal check should be allowed to carry. I'm sure they would be more than willing to pay a fee to cover the costs of the process. If these people were out in random society, unknown, it would add to our security, IMO.

Witnesses said yesterday that at first, they thought they heard fireworks... people were confused before it registered this was a shooting..... and although the police haven't confirmed the rumors, many who were in the store said he came out of the back of the store. Hank is right, they were ambushed.

You know the 911 call said this guy was a black male (#1 male) and a witness said he was white. I wonder if he is Hispanic?

I'm up and down but what little bit of searching I did online, he has next to no social media trace.

What about all those with military training/experience?

How many vets do we have walking around that can be armed if they want to be, they were trained to defend this country why not let them carry and defend it's citizens now.

 

[vraiblonde]

In the Killeen, TX Luby's shooting the killer crashed his truck through a plate glass window. The first person shot was a man who ran over to help him, thinking it was an accident.

The element of surprise.

And GW, I have never - that would be ever - been in favor of gun bans. Ever. I am very much pro 2nd Amendment, and am in fact a gun owner. But your argument is still stupid and not doing us any favors. People like you with your juvenile gunslinger mentality shouldn't be allowed to own weapons because you are WAY too irresponsible to be trusted with them.

 

[Dakota]

Nope, in fact I'm very aware of my surroundings. I was saying that no circumstances or settings are ever the same. I could sit and type out scenarios too, saying how it could be handled.

Now, just imagine if I were to come up behind you, see you pointing a gun at a guy coming out of the dressing room. Your body blocking my view of the guy and I couldn't see the shotgun he had. Jane Citizen to the rescue, I pull my gun and shoot, YOU. See, its just all to iffy for me.

My signature stands.

Done,

I typically am to. I've been around law enforcement all my life and in the field for the past 27 years. But let me tell you a little story that happened on Friday afternoon on how quickly things can happen and you can miss it.

I was waiting in line at the car wash in Charlotte Hall when all the sudden I hear a loud bang/crash/something behind me. Just 2 car lengths behind me (about 6 feet at most), the police chased a car into the parking lot and I think he ran into the snow bank. The car was steaming, fluid leaking and when I turned around, there was no driver in the car. Apparently he fled.

2 car spaces behind me and I didn't see the crash or see the suspect flee... I was close enough to car jack and didn't have my door locked. BTW, it was a chase, ended in the parking lot, suspect fled, they chased him and arrested him behind Tidewater. Things do & can happen that fast.


UPDATE: Police Chase in Charlotte Hall Ends with Arrest!! | SOMDWxNews

GW8345,

Military and former military in good standing and also retired police officers would be great pickings to carry in society. You would still want them to go through the process because the Navy Yard Shooter was former military and he was crazier than an outhouse rat.

 

[RoseRed]

GW8345,

Military and former military in good standing and also retired police officers would be great pickings to carry in society. You would still want them to go through the process because the Navy Yard Shooter was former military and he was crazier than an outhouse rat.

Let's also not forget Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was responsible of the Fort Hood shooting.

 

[MarieB]

Sadly, I think 1 or 2 would end up dead in mass shootings before a legit armed person would realize what was even going on & take action. I don't support giving everyone the right to carry but I feel that if those who qualify by going to a range, pass a mental evaluation (typically the basic paper test) and a criminal check should be allowed to carry. I'm sure they would be more than willing to pay a fee to cover the costs of the process. If these people were out in random society, unknown, it would add to our security, IMO.

Witnesses said yesterday that at first, they thought they heard fireworks... people were confused before it registered this was a shooting..... and although the police haven't confirmed the rumors, many who were in the store said he came out of the back of the store. Hank is right, they were ambushed.

You know the 911 call said this guy was a black male (#1 male) and a witness said he was white. I wonder if he is Hispanic?

I'm up and down but what little bit of searching I did online, he has next to no social media trace.

The lady who was shot in the foot was in the food court below. That is an odd twist. Was he planning on continuing?

The people who have the same last name in that area are mostly from Central America or should I say of Central American decent.

Smene on Reddit mentioned that he may have worked there in the past, but if that's the case surely they wouldn't have held that info back? I don't see why they would

 

[Retrodeb54]

If you come up behind me and just shoot me without knowing why I have my weapon drawn and without communicating with me.......you are an idiot and should not be carrying a weapon.

Obviously, you are one of those who shot first then figure out what's going one. Also, your scenario shows that you do not know how to handle the situation or a weapon properly and should just stick to carrying a can of mace.

I highly suggest you get some weapons training before you think about picking up a weapon, let alone carry it in public.

Again...This is not about me, why can't you see that? It was my opinion/view of the situation only. Yet you continue to try to make it personal. Its indeed about the idiots out there, my point exactly. I wouldn't shoot at all. I'm not a loose cannon.

Thanks for the training advice, but its not needed. Sorry to have upset you so much. Seems to me with that short temper of yours that maybe you shouldn't carry either.

 

[Dakota]

The lady who was shot in the foot was in the food court below. That is an odd twist. Was he planning on continuing?

The people who have the same last name in that area are mostly from Central America or should I say of Central American decent.

Smene on Reddit mentioned that he may have worked there in the past, but if that's the case surely they wouldn't have held that info back? I don't see why they would

I wonder if the shot went through the floor? Also, they may need to check employee records with the company, find out if he left on his own or was terminated.... but a former employee would make sense than some random act.

 

[MMDad]

I would point out the very presence of armed citizenry may be a deterrent to most criminals. The Mall is one huge gun free zone- perfect for a coward to commit his crime.

If he's willing to die there's no stopping the crime we are discussing. None. All of the idiots trying to justify CCW over this are just as stupid as those wanting to ban all guns over this. This case does absolutely nothing to further advance either argument, and trying to do so just makes you look silly.

 

[Tech]

Sadly, I think 1 or 2 would end up dead in mass shootings before a legit armed person would realize what was even going on & take action. I don't support giving everyone the right to carry but I feel that if those who qualify by going to a range, pass a mental evaluation (typically the basic paper test) and a criminal check should be allowed to carry. I'm sure they would be more than willing to pay a fee to cover the costs of the process. If these people were out in random society, unknown, it would add to our security, IMO.

Using that criteria, heaven help those texting their babysitters while at the movies. If we can't make people incur the cost of basic photo ID to vote why should people be fined for wanting to exercise their right to self protection. I just want to be able to protect myself and my family, if in the process of doing this I protect another dozen people then that's just icing on the cake.

 

[GW8345]

In the Killeen, TX Luby's shooting the killer crashed his truck through a plate glass window. The first person shot was a man who ran over to help him, thinking it was an accident.

The element of surprise.

And GW, I have never - that would be ever - been in favor of gun bans. Ever. I am very much pro 2nd Amendment, and am in fact a gun owner. But your argument is still stupid and not doing us any favors. People like you with your juvenile gunslinger mentality shouldn't be allowed to own weapons because you are WAY too irresponsible to be trusted with them.

Really, I shouldn't be allowed to own a weapon.

I have 20+ years of military training on weapons, from .38's to nuclear weapons, I've forgotten more about weapons then you have learned. You may not like my position but to say that I should not own a weapon shows how biased you are to those who wish to defend themselves instead of relying on someone else.

You perceive me as having a juvenile gunslinger mentality but you don't really know anything about my training or background.

Kind funny how I was responsible for millions of pounds of high explosives, including nuclear weapons, but you think I can't be trusted with a simple sidearm.

 

[MMDad]

What about all those with military training/experience?

How many vets do we have walking around that can be armed if they want to be, they were trained to defend this country why not let them carry and defend it's citizens now.

Right, they're likely to be standing in a skate store waiting for someone to come out of the back with a shotgun so they can cap them before the guy does ANYTHING.

This is not a case that can be used to justify your point, and the further you stretch to try to make it fit the dumber you look.

I agree with your point, but using this case to make it is just plain ignorant, and doubling down with all of your "what ifs" is not helping the cause at all.

 

[Dakota]

Using that criteria, heaven help those texting their babysitters while at the movies. If we can't make people incur the cost of basic photo ID to vote why should people be fined for wanting to exercise their right to self protection. I just want to be able to protect myself and my family, if in the process of doing this I protect another dozen people then that's just icing on the cake.

How strict should the criteria be? :shrug:

Even as safe as you try to make the process, there are going to be problems but I think it pales in comparison to waiting for the police to respond. As much as we would like total safety in society, I don't think there is anything that is 100 percent certain.

 

[MMDad]

Really, I shouldn't be allowed to own a weapon.

I have 20+ years of military training on weapons, from .38's to nuclear weapons, I've forgotten more about weapons then you have learned. You may not like my position but to say that I should not own a weapon shows how biased you are to those who wish to defend themselves instead of relying on someone else.

You perceive me as having a juvenile gunslinger mentality but you don't really know anything about my training or background.

Kind funny how I was responsible for millions of pounds of high explosives, including nuclear weapons, but you think I can't be trusted with a simple sidearm.

So what if you're trained. It doesn't mean you aren't a crackpot loon. You seem like the type of guy who would shoot someone texting in a movie theater.

 

[Dakota]

Oh and Tech... I show my photo ID when voting just to be an ass and because I think all should.