Active shooter at the Columbia Mall in Maryland!

[kwillia]

If he's willing to die there's no stopping the crime we are discussing. None. All of the idiots trying to justify CCW over this are just as stupid as those wanting to ban all guns over this. This case does absolutely nothing to further advance either argument, and trying to do so just makes you look silly.

Exactly this... No CCW Jo Schmo casually shopping would have been able to prevent this ambush attack.

The first armed police were on scene within 90 seconds... and a butt load of them were there by the 2 minute mark. This was not an event where some untrained couch cowboy was required to handle the situation. There are plenty other event bandwagons for that... this isn't one of them.

 

[vraiblonde]

Kind funny how I was responsible for millions of pounds of high explosives, including nuclear weapons, but you think I can't be trusted with a simple sidearm.

And this makes my point rather nicely. I do not believe for one second that the decision to deploy those explosives or nukes was yours and yours alone. I do not believe that. Not for one second.

You had rather serious supervision, isn't that correct?

Whereas being a civilian with a handgun, the decision to shoot rests on no one but you. And you are talking about drawing and firing - in a crowded store, no less - when you see something suspicious. That is ridiculous and irresponsible. If you do not see that, then you apparently didn't learn much in the military.

 

[GW8345]

So what if you're trained. It doesn't mean you aren't a crackpot loon. You seem like the type of guy who would shoot someone texting in a movie theater.

And you seem like the kind that would coward in a corner crying and sucking your thumb when faced with a life or death situation, praying that the good guys would get the shooter got to you.

 

[Hank]

So you are able to determine every CCW holder's training and how they would react, can you give me the winning lottery numbers also?

Uhhhh. You're doing the same thing. How are you able to determine everyones CCW holder's training and how they would react?

 

[Dakota]

Lane Bryant shooting

Happened in 2008 and is still unsolved... if just one of those women were armed... just 1... the shooter would be dead and those women wouldn't have been shuffled off to the back of the store and shot.

Lane Bryant shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[vraiblonde]

And you seem like the kind that would coward in a corner crying and sucking your thumb when faced with a life or death situation, praying that the good guys would get the shooter got to you.

Yer a real John Wayne there, pilgrim.

 

[czygvtwkr]

Really, I shouldn't be allowed to own a weapon.

I have 20+ years of military training on weapons, from .38's to nuclear weapons, I've forgotten more about weapons then you have learned. You may not like my position but to say that I should not own a weapon shows how biased you are to those who wish to defend themselves instead of relying on someone else.

You perceive me as having a juvenile gunslinger mentality but you don't really know anything about my training or background.

Kind funny how I was responsible for millions of pounds of high explosives, including nuclear weapons, but you think I can't be trusted with a simple sidearm.

How often did you take those nuclear weapons to malls?

 

[vraiblonde]

Lane Bryant shooting

Happened in 2008 and is still unsolved... if just one of those women were armed... just 1... the shooter would be dead and those women wouldn't have been shuffled off to the back of the store and shot.

Lane Bryant shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But...what are the odds your average lady in Lane Bryant will be packing heat?

So we can say "if they were only armed" but chances are they wouldn't have been even if it were legal. It's like teachers: if they were allowed to keep a handgun in their desk drawer, how many of them do you think would actually do it?

Note that you never hear of anyone trying to shoot up a Bass Pro or a Cabela's. Because that's not a target-rich environment.

 

[GW8345]

And this makes my point rather nicely. I do not believe for one second that the decision to deploy those explosives or nukes was yours and yours alone. I do not believe that. Not for one second.

You had rather serious supervision, isn't that correct?

Whereas being a civilian with a handgun, the decision to shoot rests on no one but you. And you are talking about drawing and firing - in a crowded store, no less - when you see something suspicious. That is ridiculous and irresponsible. If you do not see that, then you apparently didn't learn much in the military.

Um, while I did not have the authority to deploy those weapons, I was responsible for their storage, handing, loading and arming of those weapons. If I wanted to, I had the ability and capability to detonate those weapons at anytime.

And I was the supervisor in charge.

Also, how do you know how crowded the store was.

I learned more in the military then you ever will learn about firearms and handling situations like that one. I learned how to control my emotions in dangerous situations, to let my training take over, to not react irrationally and to analyze the situation quickly and to act appropriately. I may not be able to effectively communicate that but for you and everyone else to dismiss me based on that clearly shows you are too scared to stand up for your own defense and are comfortable with relying on others to defend you, I am not comfortable with relying on others to defend me though.

Also, let me know when you are able to predict when you will be threaten by someone with a weapon, or when you will need someone with a gun to save you.

 

[MMDad]

Um, while I did not have the authority to deploy those weapons, I was responsible for their storage, handing, loading and arming of those weapons. If I wanted to, I had the ability and capability to detonate those weapons at anytime.

And I was the supervisor in charge.

Also, how do you know how crowded the store was.

I learned more in the military then you ever will learn about firearms and handling situations like that one. I learned how to control my emotions in dangerous situations, to let my training take over, to not react irrationally and to analyze the situation quickly and to act appropriately. I may not be able to effectively communicate that but for you and everyone else to dismiss me based on that clearly shows you are too scared to stand up for your own defense and are comfortable with relying on others to defend you, I am not comfortable with relying on others to defend me though.

Also, let me know when you are able to predict when you will be threaten by someone with a weapon, or when you will need someone with a gun to save you.

Kind of like the cop that shot the guy for texting. All that training and experience, but when it came down to it he couldn't control himself.

You are a crackpot. You are the type who would shoot a kid in a toy store who picked up a squirt gun. People like you give the anti-CCW crowd the ammo to push their agenda.

 

[MarieB]

I wonder if the shot went through the floor? Also, they may need to check employee records with the company, find out if he left on his own or was terminated.... but a former employee would make sense than some random act.

That's the first I've heard of that. It could also be someone talking out of his ass. Someone else said that she lived 1/2 mile from the shooter. I wonder if he had any drug record?

 

[Railroad]

Exactly this... No CCW Jo Schmo casually shopping would have been able to prevent this ambush attack.

The first armed police were on scene within 90 seconds... and a butt load of them were there by the 2 minute mark. This was not an event where some untrained couch cowboy was required to handle the situation. There are plenty other event bandwagons for that... this isn't one of them.

IMHO the best possible situation is intervention immediately after the first shot is fired (or the first punch is thrown, or the first...whatever). People are simply not looking so closely at other people all the time that they can always intervene to stop the act from happening in the first place. For the intervention to happen before more shots are fired and people injured or killed, the response time would have to be very short, i.e., the response would have to come from someone at the scene. The very best response times by Law Enforcement are still delayed by communications and transit time to the scene. At the scene, while the crime is in progress, ninety seconds is a very long time, an eternity in some cases, yet the LEOs do their best and are to be applauded for that. But everyone within earshot of the crime is a potential first responder or a potential additional victim, depending on how they are prepared to influence or stop the crime in progress. Just my humble opinion.

 

[MMDad]

That's the first I've heard of that. It could also be someone talking out of his ass. Someone else said that she lived 1/2 mile from the shooter. I wonder if he had any drug record?

It seems that both the shooter and the male victim were in NA. Good odds that there are drug records.

 

[GW8345]

Kind of like the cop that shot the guy for texting. All that training and experience, but when it came down to it he couldn't control himself.

You are a crackpot. You are the type who would shoot a kid in a toy store who picked up a squirt gun. People like you give the anti-CCW crowd the ammo to push their agenda.

So you use one incident to justify your argument while ignoring the number of mass shooting happening.

You are a sheeple and would rather have someone else be responsible for your safety then to take responsibility yourself.

And if I'm a crackpot, you are wuss.

 

[GW8345]

I'm done with this discussion, it has turned into a name calling event from the normal douchenozzles that normally don't have anything to contribute to the discussion except their juvenile comments and immature opinions.

 

[MMDad]

So you use one incident to justify your argument while ignoring the number of mass shooting happening.

You are a sheeple and would rather have someone else be responsible for your safety then to take responsibility yourself.

And if I'm a crackpot, you are wuss.

WTF have you been doing in this entire thread? YOU are trying to use this one incident to justify your point, but now that it has all fallen apart you are too stubborn and stupid to shut your pie hole! You keep doubling down, trying to claw your way back into a coherent argument, but you are just too ignorant to do it.

This incident does NOTHING to justify CCW, and your insistence that it does is showing how irrational you are.

 

[MarieB]

It seems that both the shooter and the male victim were in NA. Good odds that there are drug records.

I haven't heard that the shooter was in NA

 

[Hank]

I'm done with this discussion, it has turned into a name calling event from the normal douchenozzles that normally don't have anything to contribute to the discussion except their juvenile comments and immature opinions.

You're the one calling names!

 

[MMDad]

So you use one incident to justify your argument while ignoring the number of mass shooting happening.

You are a sheeple and would rather have someone else be responsible for your safety then to take responsibility yourself.

And if I'm a crackpot, you are wuss.

I'm done with this discussion, it has turned into a name calling event from the normal douchenozzles that normally don't have anything to contribute to the discussion except their juvenile comments and immature opinions.

Yes, douchenozzle, you certainly have turned it into a name calling event.

 

[kwillia]

But everyone within earshot of the crime is a potential first responder or a potential additional victim, depending on how they are prepared to influence or stop the crime in progress. Just my humble opinion.

Thanks for helping to make my point. Just because someone may be CCW in no way shape or form implies they've had the extensive training needed to make split second decisions as to when to fire and whom to fire upon.