Alex Jones Ordered to Pay Almost $1 Billion to the Sandy Hook Victims’ Families

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In the wake of the tragedy, Jones began claiming that the massacre had been staged by “crisis actors” to foment opposition to the Second Amendment. The families said that because of Jones, they have been harassed by his followers and have even received death threats. The lawyer for the plaintiffs, Christopher Mattei, stated:

“Their lives were shattered by December 14, 2012, but Alex Jones has made it so they can’t escape. Every single one of these families were drowning in grief, and Alex Jones put his foot right on top of them.”

For his part, Jones has said that he finally believes that the massacre did indeed occur, although he also said that he is planning to appeal the jury’s decision. Also noteworthy is the fact that Jones and his companies filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy earlier in the year in the face of multiple defamation lawsuits regarding his statements about the Sandy Hook incident. He is hoping the filing will protect his companies, stating that he does not have the money.










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Yeah right a billion dollars
 

Sneakers

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He is hoping the filing will protect his companies, stating that he does not have the money.
On the news this morning, it was noted that he claimed to have no money, but flew into the proceedings in a private jet, and stayed at lavish well appointed hotels. It was also noted that the plaintiffs are going to hound his every spending move.
 

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but flew into the proceedings in a private jet, and stayed at lavish well appointed hotels.


ah yeah so what

he has enough friends

the whole lawsuit is bullshit politics ... Jones is a blow hard that hurt some feelings but defamation
 

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This seems - ridiculous. What he DID was ignorant - and stupid.
But the persons they should charge were the ones sending death threats and harassing them - THOSE people clearly committed crimes.

Saying stupid untrue and damaging things on the radio - if that's criminal, we DO need to shut down the major networks.
 

LightRoasted

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Funny. How only a handful of people can wage a lawsuit for $1 billion over remarks and opinion over an alleged school shooting.

Thousands died on 9/11. Thousands more suffered from environmental illnesses, and some died later because of that. And yet? Alex was at the spearhead of espousing his opinions that 9/11 was an inside job coordinated effort hit. Where is the outrage and the lawsuits from these thousands of people and their families against Alex Jones?

There is way more to this effort to silence Jones than what meets the eye. It's a sham trial.
 

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In the wake of the tragedy, Jones began claiming that the massacre had been staged by “crisis actors” to foment opposition to the Second Amendment. The families said that because of Jones, they have been harassed by his followers and have even received death threats. The lawyer for the plaintiffs, Christopher Mattei, stated:



For his part, Jones has said that he finally believes that the massacre did indeed occur, although he also said that he is planning to appeal the jury’s decision. Also noteworthy is the fact that Jones and his companies filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy earlier in the year in the face of multiple defamation lawsuits regarding his statements about the Sandy Hook incident. He is hoping the filing will protect his companies, stating that he does not have the money.










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Yeah right a billion dollars
How many hit men could he hire for that kind of money?
 

Kinnakeet

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For your consideration ...

Funny. How only a handful of people can wage a lawsuit for $1 billion over remarks and opinion over an alleged school shooting.

Thousands died on 9/11. Thousands more suffered from environmental illnesses, and some died later because of that. And yet? Alex was at the spearhead of espousing his opinions that 9/11 was an inside job coordinated effort hit. Where is the outrage and the lawsuits from these thousands of people and their families against Alex Jones?

There is way more to this effort to silence Jones than what meets the eye. It's a sham trial.
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Let's say he's wrong - as I firmly believe he is.
It's grossly insensitive to the parents. Vulgar. Cruel.

But saying cruel and insensitive things, to the best of my understanding - is not a crime. It's seriously bad taste. There ARE things you can do and say where you can be held accountable for the consequences. If you say something to deliberately provoke people - you won't have a case to stand on if you try to take people to court for kicking your ass. Go into a redneck bar and call them all a buncha queers - and when they bring your battered body into the courtroom, the judge will say, sorry moron.

Fire in a crowded theater. Slander and libel. Yes, you can be held accountable for damages you create.

Laughing at mourners at a funeral - isn't a crime. Maybe it ought to be, because it's revolting. But it isn't.

If someone harasses or makes death threats at someone - THEY OUGHT TO BE TAKEN to court. But the guy who gave them the idea - no one forced them to harass or threaten. You're on the hook for your own criminal behavior. You're not getting mileage out of "he made me do it".

Then there's the billion dollars. When whole corporations have to pay damages - you hear 10 million, 50 million, 100 million. When was the last time you heard of an INDIVIDUAL having to pay a BILLION? What damages could be worth that?

This is a dumb case.
 

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I saw a Tweet that Elon is considering paying for Jones, if it holds up under appeal.
 
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Love Him or Hate Him, the War Against Alex Jones Is a War Against Us All



Amidst all of the fanfare and controversy, it is easy to overlook just how weak the defamation case against Jones really was. The Sandy Hook parents mentioned above based their defamation claim on a 2017 NBC interview where Heslin said he held his son’s body after he was murdered. In a contemporaneous Infowars segment, reporter Owen Shroyer said that, “according to a timeline of events and a coroner’s testimony, that is not possible,” and Jones responded by calling Heslin to “clarify” his statements. Otherwise, all of Jones’s “defamatory” behavior is premised on him making wild but vague allegations of a Sandy Hook false flag by unknown forces. Virtually all of the damages, meanwhile, are based on blaming Jones for the actions of people he doesn’t even know.

Based on the alleged trauma caused by Jones’s claims, and harassment from various people who are neither Jones himself nor acting on his orders, the plaintiffs sought a staggering $150 million in damages. The $4.1 million judgment is mercifully less than that, but after punitive damages come in Jones will still be paying a massive amount. Last week, Alex Jones put Free Speech Systems LLC, the parent company for his popular InfoWars show and website, into Chapter 11 bankruptcy for the second time.

To be clear, we cannot defend the wisdom and judiciousness of Jones’ coverage of Sandy Hook. Jones himself expressed regret regarding his coverage and acknowledged he should have treated the subject differently. There is no issue more sensitive than a parent grieving a child, and journalists must always strive to cover such topics with empathy, discernment, and caution.

At the same time, it is a very dangerous precedent to set when the feelings of grieving families can be used to silence reporting — even “conspiratorial and crazy” reporting — on tragedies of national significance. The Sandy Hook tragedy was a very public and very politicized event from the beginning, and almost immediately became enveloped into a national debate about gun control. Just months after the Sandy Hook Tragedy, Connecticut passed a dramatic enhancement to its so-called “assault weapons ban.” New York and Maryland took similar action, while Senator Diane Feinstein proposed a severe assault weapons ban at the national level, which never passed.

Given the political stakes involved, it seems consistent with the spirit of the First Amendment and the spirit of a free society to allow maximum discussion and deliberation about a major tragedy serving as the catalyst for legislation, even if some of that discussion turns out to be silly, crude, cruel, irresponsible, or even harmful to the emotional state of the families affected by that tragedy.

From very early on, Connecticut took a dubious approach to balancing the sensitivities of the Sandy Hook families against the public interest in transparency. The most egregious of such responses was a Connecticut law, drafted behind closed doors and in secret, that took unprecedented steps to withhold forensic evidence related to homicides from the public:

At a time when citizens increasingly call for government transparency, the Connecticut legislature recently passed a bill to withhold graphic information depicting homicides from the public in response to records from last December’s devastation at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
Though secret discussions drafting this bill reportedly date back to at least early April, the bill did not become public knowledge until an email was leaked to the Hartford Courant on May 21. The initial draft of what became Senate Bill 1149 offered wide protection specifically for families of victims of the December 14 shootings, preventing disclosure of public photographs, videos, 911 audio recordings, death certificates, and more.


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Imagine, for instance, if the Sandy Hook Privacy laws applied to the Uvalde shooting, in which surveillance photos revealed complete failure and professional misconduct on the part of the police force.

Under the Sandy Hook defamation precedent, any news story, no matter how large its national significance, could be tightly controlled so long as grieving families are present.

While the grieving Sandy Hook families may be especially sympathetic, there are other cases which immediately underscore the danger of this precedent. Take, for instance, the case of murdered former DNC employee Seth Rich. Several years ago Fox News settled with the parents of Seth Rich for a story suggesting Rich was the source of leaked DNC emails:

The Fox News Channel has reached a private settlement with the parents of the slain Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich. The network had baselessly reported in May 2017 that Rich leaked thousands of Democratic party emails to Wikileaks during the height of the 2016 presidential campaign.
The story, reported by Fox News’ Malia Zimmerman and retracted seven days later, also suggested without any evidence that Democrats might have been linked to the killing of the 27-year-old Rich, a crime that has not been solved to this day. In response to NPR’s questions, a Fox News spokesperson tells NPR that Zimmerman is no longer with the network.
“The settlement with Fox News closes another chapter in our efforts to mourn the murder of our beloved Seth, whom we miss every single day,” Joel and Mary Rich wrote in their statement. “We are pleased with the settlement of this and sincerely hope that the media will take genuine caution in the future.”
[NPR]






The Sandy Hook defamation trial was not ultimately about Sandy Hook or the Sandy Hook families. The trial itself made it obvious that Jones’ past statements were not the real reason for the trial. Rather, the trial’s purpose to stop Jones and others from speaking out in the future.

One of their attorneys, Wesley Ball, urged the jury on Friday to award $145.9 million in punitive damages to reach the full $150 million that the parents asked for. He said the jury had a chance to not only take away Jones’ platform but also ensure that he can not rebuild it.
“I am asking you to take the bullhorn away from Alex Jones and all of the others who believe they can profit off of fear and misinformation,” Ball said to the jury. “The gold rush of fear and misinformation must end, and it must end today.”
[Texas Tribune]

It’s all about the bullhorn—that is, all about making sure that the Regime is in exclusive possession of the megaphone, and any non-approved person who dares speak non-approved narratives to the public gets crushed.

The aggressive use of defamation law is just the latest tool in the Regime’s arsenal to silence dissent. The fact that the Regime is using the defamation tool against Alex Jones ought to concern everyone who cares about free speech and the truth; remember, Alex Jones is something of a testing ground for new suppression tools, and was one of the very first to get massively deplatformed before the Big Tech censors came after everyone else.

Four years ago, CNN spearheaded a successful push to get Alex Jones and Infowars deplatformed from YouTube, Facebook, and other social media. Most on the right said little or nothing, because Jones was considered “extreme.” Yet it was obvious even then that Jones was only the first domino, and once he fell ever-more-important outlets and public figure would be treated the same way. Less than three years later, YouTube and Twitter successfully deplatformed the sitting U.S. president.

The New York Times has a clear-eyed view of what the stakes in the current case are:

Lawyers say the three trials hold lessons for other cases against conspiracy-minded defendants, from the Jan. 6 insurrectionists to Trump allies sued for falsely claiming that voting machine manufacturers helped “steal” the 2020 presidential election.

Lawyers for the Sandy Hook families say a verdict, expected this week in the first trial, could send a signal to other conspiracy purveyors about the cost of online lies and set into motion a chain of events that could shut Infowars down.

Why does the Sandy Hook case matter, according to the Times? Because it could “take the bullhorn” away from those who dispute election results or question the official narrative of January 6, while plundering them for millions in the process.

To the Times, this is clearly not a straightforward application of existing defamation law, but a bold attack seeking to vastly expand its scope. The headline is revealing as well: “Lies for Profit: Can Sandy Hook Parents Shut Alex Jones Down?” The goal is not to hold Alex Jones liable for specific harms, but to stop him from speaking at all, permanently. Then, when that is accomplished, they will move on to silencing other dissenting voices, permanently.

The Sandy Hook lawsuit was never about protecting Sandy Hook parents. It was about protecting America’s corrupt ruling class from an alternative media that refuses to mindlessly repeat their lies.

It is not simply that the Sandy Hook lawsuit isn’t ultimately about protecting the grieving parents—it isn’t even about attacking and silencing conspiracy theories per se. It is worth remembering that Alex Jones was not a real target for deplatforming and immiseration prior to the Trump phenomenon, of which Alex Jones was one of the most prominent supporters.
 

vraiblonde

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Over hurt feefees.

A judge - and I use that term loosely - ordered a man to pay almost one-billion dollars.....because him hurted some feefees.

That's pretty amazing.
 

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If you read the latest this is really a weapon of defamation to shut down conversation, opinion, and objection of the given State Run Media Narrative

Sure on the surface over hurt fee ' fee's
 
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