Another "let's think about this for a minute"

[vraiblonde]

1700-Foot Drug Tunnel Found Connecting Tijuana with San Diego

Federal authorities announced the discovery of a 1,700-foot sophisticated narco-tunnel running from Tijuana to a California warehouse.

www.breitbart.com

Authorities can find a single human being based on facial recognition and cellphone pinging, and yet are oblivious to a major construction event between two major cities.

This is why I want to punch a throat when some durhard doper is like, "Oh, the war on drugs was a failure!" Well, doper, that's because there never was a war on drugs. There was marketing and PSAs and blathering politicians and a lot of hot air, but there was no real effort made to curtail drug trafficking in this country, and certainly no effort to get people to quit drugs or not use them in the first place.

And if you don't think the politicians and other so-called authorities are making money off this and knee deep in the hoopla, you are quite frankly retarded.

 

[Kyle]

And if you don't think the politicians and other so-called authorities are making money off this and knee deep in the hoopla, you are quite frankly retarded.

 

[Hijinx]

If the countries being run by Cartels really wanted to get rid of the cartel, the murders, the drug, and if the United States of America really wanted to get rid of the drugs they would work together and start a real war against drugs. We have sophisticated tools to find where the drug factories are. We could stop farting around and get an agreement to bomb them. To stop taking these people to court and just start killing them on the street like the real war criminals they are.

Like Vrai stated, there never was a real war against drugs.
An Biden's open border policies are an open invitation to transport them into our country.

 

[GURPS]

Clear and Present Danger

 

[Clem72]

1700-Foot Drug Tunnel Found Connecting Tijuana with San Diego

Federal authorities announced the discovery of a 1,700-foot sophisticated narco-tunnel running from Tijuana to a California warehouse.

www.breitbart.com

Authorities can find a single human being based on facial recognition and cellphone pinging, and yet are oblivious to a major construction event between two major cities.

This is why I want to punch a throat when some durhard doper is like, "Oh, the war on drugs was a failure!" Well, doper, that's because there never was a war on drugs. There was marketing and PSAs and blathering politicians and a lot of hot air, but there was no real effort made to curtail drug trafficking in this country, and certainly no effort to get people to quit drugs or not use them in the first place.

And if you don't think the politicians and other so-called authorities are making money off this and knee deep in the hoopla, you are quite frankly retarded.

I have friends that worked out of Tampa and Key West for many years fighting drug trafficking in the caribbean basin. They were definitely fighting a war. They would see more action most weeks than our boys in Afghanistan.

 

[vraiblonde]

I have friends that worked out of Tampa and Key West for many years fighting drug trafficking in the caribbean basin. They were definitely fighting a war. They would see more action most weeks than our boys in Afghanistan.

Boots on the ground may be actively trying to fight a war, but their bosses and their boss' bosses are not. Prosecutors are not fighting the war on drugs. Elected officials are a big nope. FBI - *bzzzt*.

It's just like cops - they go to the trouble of finding and arresting criminals, putting their own lives in jeopardy, only to have some shitbag judge or prosecutor turn them loose again.

Unless you're trying to convince me that Intel can find a human needle in a haystack, but can't locate a major drug tunnel.

 

[OccamsRazor]

Think of the impact on GDP that some of these cartel countries would see if the industry was completely shut down. Mexico, Columbia, Peru, etc.
Also, think of the impact to our own country. Like it or not, money from the drug business is BIG money put into the economy.

 

[Clem72]

Boots on the ground may be actively trying to fight a war, but their bosses and their boss' bosses are not. Prosecutors are not fighting the war on drugs. Elected officials are a big nope. FBI - *bzzzt*.

It's just like cops - they go to the trouble of finding and arresting criminals, putting their own lives in jeopardy, only to have some shitbag judge or prosecutor turn them loose again.

Unless you're trying to convince me that Intel can find a human needle in a haystack, but can't locate a major drug tunnel.

I don't know what to say about the tunnel other than it's not the first and likely won't be the last. It's probably less of a priority because unlike the other coast where the drugs come on submarines, go fast boats, and puddle jumper planes, these tunnels are probably dual use for human smuggling and we know they have a desire to keep the border porous.

 

[Clem72]

Think of the impact on GDP that some of these cartel countries would see if the industry was completely shut down. Mexico, Columbia, Peru, etc.
Also, think of the impact to our own country. Like it or not, money from the drug business is BIG money put into the economy.

We tried that. It's a giant game of whack-a-mole. You make significant inroads in one county and they will spring up in another. They have found the best middle-ground is to work with the "less" corrupt governments to monitor the cartels and intercept as much as they can en route.

 

[OccamsRazor]

We tried that.

Tried what? My point was that these cartels and their business is almost akin to a "Too Big To Fail" scenario when it comes to their impacts on a country's GDP.

 

[Kyle]

Stealth Bombers and JDAMs.

 

[vraiblonde]

Think of the impact on GDP that some of these cartel countries would see if the industry was completely shut down. Mexico, Columbia, Peru, etc.
Also, think of the impact to our own country. Like it or not, money from the drug business is BIG money put into the economy.

And it's UNTAXED income. Which makes the case for a national sales tax to replace the income tax, but our overlords aren't going to do that. They get their palms greased but good to ensure illegal practitioners don't run into any snags.

 

[vraiblonde]

Tried what? My point was that these cartels and their business is almost akin to a "Too Big To Fail" scenario when it comes to their impacts on a country's GDP.

Now do the cost of drugs on society, not only in human lives but in real dollars....

The only reason the drug cartels and human traffickers are "too big to fail" is because they're the ones keeping our elected officials rolling in the dough. Hopefully you don't really think Democrats and Never Trumpers want that border wide open out of the goodness of their heart?

Drug cartels could fail today and it wouldn't affect me financially one bit, but our elected douchebags would lose all that yummy yummy bribe money.

 

[OccamsRazor]

Drug cartels could fail today and it wouldn't affect me financially one bit, but our elected douchebags would lose all that yummy yummy bribe money.

Although I agree with your overall point, this statement seems naive.
Think beyond the front door. Entire countries depend on cartel (drug) profits. Think of all the money that circulates in the US derived from drugs and drug profits. Not strictly "bribe" money but, instead overall monies circulated.

 

[Ken King]

Authorities can find a single human being based on facial recognition and cellphone pinging, and yet are oblivious to a major construction event between two major cities.

That is because they want to be that oblivious. They won't build the wall so you can be damn sure they won't build an underground anti-tunnel barrier.

 

[vraiblonde]

Although I agree with your overall point, this statement seems naive.
Think beyond the front door. Entire countries depend on cartel (drug) profits. Think of all the money that circulates in the US derived from drugs and drug profits. Not strictly "bribe" money but, instead overall monies circulated.

And then you have to do a P&L on it to come to a net income/loss.

*I* am not getting rich off the drug trade. In fact, it's costing me money in taxes and lack of community safety, not to mention quality of life. Very few people in this country are making money off drug cartels; most of us are paying out the ass.

 

[willie]

Tried what? My point was that these cartels and their business is almost akin to a "Too Big To Fail" scenario when it comes to their impacts on a country's GDP.

Are you suggesting that they are current with their income tax? How do dopers have a positive effect on the GDP?

 

[OccamsRazor]

Are you suggesting that they are current with their income tax? How do dopers have a positive effect on the GDP?

Are you suggesting that "dopers" do not put money into their local economies? Spend money on food, entertainment, housing, etc?

 

[Kinnakeet]

1700-Foot Drug Tunnel Found Connecting Tijuana with San Diego

Federal authorities announced the discovery of a 1,700-foot sophisticated narco-tunnel running from Tijuana to a California warehouse.

www.breitbart.com

Authorities can find a single human being based on facial recognition and cellphone pinging, and yet are oblivious to a major construction event between two major cities.

This is why I want to punch a throat when some durhard doper is like, "Oh, the war on drugs was a failure!" Well, doper, that's because there never was a war on drugs. There was marketing and PSAs and blathering politicians and a lot of hot air, but there was no real effort made to curtail drug trafficking in this country, and certainly no effort to get people to quit drugs or not use them in the first place.

And if you don't think the politicians and other so-called authorities are making money off this and knee deep in the hoopla, you are quite frankly retarded.

100% truth

 

[Monello]

Clear and Present Danger

Existential