A'stan.
Another "let's think about this for a minute"
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Clem72
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They have ground sensors that can detect a mouse fart half-way across the planet. Pretty sure they could detect digging under the ground near the border with absolutely minimal effort. No need to build a barrier.
Who is this they? DHS? According to them Tunnel Detection and Surveillance systems are only being explored and "Current detection capabilities rely on random tips and laborious human intelligence (HUMINT) collection."
Clem72
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That's playing a bit loose with the terminology. Tunnel Detection (detecting existing tunnels / voids) is difficult. Detecting actively used tunnels is less difficult, and detecting tunnels being dug is trivially easy. I was referring to the last of these when I said they can detect digging.
Then why is it they are only detecting them after they go into use, not while they are being constructed, and why is it that DHS is only starting the program (according to them)?
Are you suggesting that if they *weren't* dopers they *wouldn't* be buying food, entertainment, housing, etc?
What is your point here?
Clem72
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Goes back to Vrai's original point, there probably hasn't been a lot of political push to find them. If law enforcement or someone blatantly falls across one of these then it gets shut down, otherwise out of sight out of mind.
OccamsRazor
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What about it?
Sneakers
Just sneakin' around....
It's two words. duh.
Yeah and I agreed with her point. But what you and I were discussing is where you said
And it appears that they (DHS) do not have that capability, yet. Though they indicate that they are looking into such technology with their Tunnel Detection and Surveillance program.
I don't believe that for one minute. The technology is already there to find caves and tunnels and heat signatures - it's been there for decades. DHS just doesn't want to find them.
****ing lying pricks.
Diversity, yo?!
That might be true, don't know. It could be that, as you say, they don't want to find them. Sufficient technology might not be available or they haven't allocated any funds for it.
As to technology already here what is there (1) GPR was available and is pretty good up to a depth of 40 feet or so and it has to be moved over the area of interest. (2) Seismic wave detection has been played with for a decade or two and has issues with other disturbances (traffic, wind, other things like natural seismic activity, construction) and would require a network of sensors. (4) Electrical resistivity can also be used but again probes would need to be networked in and can easily be screwed with. (5) Microgravity has been kicked around but tunnel differential in the gravitational field can be around 10 microgals in a background of the earth field that is around 100 million microgals. There are others but has DHS been funded to employ them.
Myself I think we ought to be checking out what Israel is using. They have detected tunnels to a depth of 170 feet or so, but I think their priorities are obviously a bit different.
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Hijinx
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That's exactly right.
The Drug folks here don't have detection and stopping drug traffic as a priority.
Political clout is against enforcement because too many politicians are on the take.
Local AND federal politicians.
OccamsRazor
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Wait... aren't you the informed one that has proper "sources" to know about the topics which you comment on?
Do you have any idea how much of that city or area was constructed and relied on the drug and cocaine money from the 80s? A great portion of that town's economy survived and thrived on drug money profits.
Nevermind... it's not like it will change your mind anyways so...
Hijinx
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If the United States and some of it's cities have to survive on drug money then we don't deserve to survive.
Are you seriously trying to convince me that drug trafficking and all that goes with it is actually a good thing and beneficial to communities?
When you say ridiculous things I don't even want to have the discussion. All those Mexican and Central American refugees are risking their lives to come to the US....because the drug cartels are bettering their communities..... Those inner city ghettos with their rampant drug problems are absolutely thriving.
You're right - you won't change my mind.
OccamsRazor
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Nope. Not at all. That is you misinterpreting what my point is which I clearly stated in my initial post.
Once again... the business of drugs has such a large effect on the amount of monies put into the economy that it is almost too big to fail. Especially in countries such as Mexico, Columbia, Peru, etc.
In essence, think about how much of an effect it would have on even our own economy if that money went away. I am NOT saying it is good or bad for communities. I am saying there will be an impact.