Anti-Development
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cebasham
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yeah, why the protesters thought this was better I'll never know
Instead of a Border's and a Kohl's and some nice restaurants, we'll end up with something that looks like those monstrosities at Expedition and Exploration. It's a shame that the screamers made it so hard for the planning and zoning people to see sense.
Instead of a Border's and a Kohl's and some nice restaurants, we'll end up with something that looks like those monstrosities at Expedition and Exploration. It's a shame that the screamers made it so hard for the planning and zoning people to see sense.
cebasham
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I don't know, but I read on The Bay Net...
that that was the alternative plan, should the Summers group be unable to build the stores/restaurants they had signed on for.
The way it was described, they will be office buildings, with condos starting on the 5th floor. The big selling point for the condos would be that they would have water views--in other words, they will be so tall that their residents will be able to see OVER our entire neighborhood. The zoning situation means that instead of building something wide, like a decent department store and a larger book store, they will be building taller structures, and that instead of shopping and restaurants, we'll get a boatload of condos and crappy little offices.
http://www.thebaynet.com/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=news.viewStory&story_ID=3509
that that was the alternative plan, should the Summers group be unable to build the stores/restaurants they had signed on for.
The way it was described, they will be office buildings, with condos starting on the 5th floor. The big selling point for the condos would be that they would have water views--in other words, they will be so tall that their residents will be able to see OVER our entire neighborhood. The zoning situation means that instead of building something wide, like a decent department store and a larger book store, they will be building taller structures, and that instead of shopping and restaurants, we'll get a boatload of condos and crappy little offices.
http://www.thebaynet.com/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=news.viewStory&story_ID=3509
Oz
You're all F'in Mad...
They can increase their building height to 100ft by increasing the setbacks 1 foot for every foot the building goes above 40ft.
If they really want residential buildings there, they would be better off with RH zoning.
You won't see another rezoning application like this before Election Day. But I wonder how much that land will be disturbed now that this rezoning has passed. Are we going to see another deal like Wildewood and Home Depot? The market isn't there for Residential right now. But do these guys want to stick it up the neighbors butts bad enough to sit on partially sold condo buildings until the population increases?
As much as I dislike Kabat's ultimatum of "give me what I want or I'll put 100ft buildings on that land" I think time will tell if that was a good decision or if the alternative is worse for the neighbors who protested.
If they really want residential buildings there, they would be better off with RH zoning.
You won't see another rezoning application like this before Election Day. But I wonder how much that land will be disturbed now that this rezoning has passed. Are we going to see another deal like Wildewood and Home Depot? The market isn't there for Residential right now. But do these guys want to stick it up the neighbors butts bad enough to sit on partially sold condo buildings until the population increases?
As much as I dislike Kabat's ultimatum of "give me what I want or I'll put 100ft buildings on that land" I think time will tell if that was a good decision or if the alternative is worse for the neighbors who protested.
BS Gal
Voted Nicest in 08
A Borders would have been fine. Actually, anything that didn't have traffic day and night. If they decide to build housing there, we may be worse off. I hope these neighbors don't regret what they did, but I have a feeling PF Summers is very, very vindictive.ylexot said:
Oz
You're all F'in Mad...
ylexot said:
Nice approach. But with the cost of that property and the development costs, you won't see $100-150K priced condo units in any building there. With a maximum density of 5 dwelling units per acre, (39 acres on 3 parcels,) you just can't put enough apartments there to keep the price that low. Thats why I think they would really need RH to do 100 ft apartment buildings. Plus, I'm not real sure there is the sewer and water capacity for that much residential there.
I'm guessing thet will either develop pad sites, and target commercial opportunities permitted in RMX Zoning like banks, restaurants and 20-25,000 sqft retail stores. The RMX allows low volume specialty stores, including antiques, appliances, art/supplies, auto parts and accessories (no installation,) bikes, cameras, carpet and floor coverings, coins, electronic equipment (Circuit City maybe?) crafts, hardware, hobby, jewelry, kitchen items, medical supplies, office supplies, paint and wallpaper, record store, sporting goods, toy stores, pawn shop, grocery, liquor and delis.
So sporting goods can still come in. I don't see where bookstores are even covered by the CZO so perhaps Borders could too. All of this would depend on how low volume is interpreted since that isn't defined by the CZO, and keeping the building footprints under 20,000 sqft.