Any Projection Screen TV Experts?

PsyOps

Pixelated
I have a 42" Toshiba projection TV. The picture is starting to go out. It started with the top of the screen going squiggly (for lack of better way to describe it). The problem is now moved to most of the screen. This exists whether I use the local tuner, component video, or RCA audio/video inputs.

Can anyone speculate on what might cause this problem? Could it be something as simple as replacing the bulbs or is it a much bigger problem?

If not, does anyone know of any good TV repair people that will make house visits in the Pr. Fred area?

TIA
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
I have a 42" Toshiba projection TV. The picture is starting to go out. It started with the top of the screen going squiggly (for lack of better way to describe it). The problem is now moved to most of the screen. This exists whether I use the local tuner, component video, or RCA audio/video inputs.

Can anyone speculate on what might cause this problem? Could it be something as simple as replacing the bulbs or is it a much bigger problem?

If not, does anyone know of any good TV repair people that will make house visits in the Pr. Fred area?

TIA

Projectors need to be aligned/ calibrated?

What model TV? how old? Do a google and I bet you can find out how to do it, or what tools you'll need.

Here's a start.. How to Perform a Convergence on a Projection TV | eHow.com

Don't know if this is what is needed.. but hopefully it helps.
 

KingFish

Nothing to see here
My friend had a tv that looked like a 3d movie without glasses. Repair place want to replace a 450 dollar board. I replaced two IC's for convergence and then let him realign it per directions. He was happy with the result.
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
Projectors need to be aligned/ calibrated?

What model TV? how old? Do a google and I bet you can find out how to do it, or what tools you'll need.

Here's a start.. How to Perform a Convergence on a Projection TV | eHow.com

Don't know if this is what is needed.. but hopefully it helps.

What Bob said. He is dead on. I had to do this for my Sony that I bought back in '02. I googled away and after some digging someone had put together a tutorial that showed me exactly how to do it. Basically somewhere behind one of your panels there are probably 6 screws- 2 each for each color bulb. Very, very slowly adjust the scew until the picture starts coming back in.(screws should line up with bulbs RED, GREEN, BLUE) It is very important to do it slowly or the voltage can spike too high.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Projectors need to be aligned/ calibrated?

What model TV? how old? Do a google and I bet you can find out how to do it, or what tools you'll need.

Here's a start.. How to Perform a Convergence on a Projection TV | eHow.com

Don't know if this is what is needed.. but hopefully it helps.

It's not a convergence problem. I make those adjustments routinely. The image is actually going squiggly. In other words sort of like if you were to stand in front of one of those mirrors that makes your body in the shape of an "S", the squiggles go vertically and all the way across the screen. It's a Toshiba model 42H82.
 
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Bavarian

New Member
First, front or rear projection? I have a Kloss front projector, now old. Maybe the spacing between projector and screen is off, this is very important. How about the angle the screen makes to the projector. ie. the screen is mounted on wall or stand and angle is adjustable.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
First, front or rear projection? I have a Kloss front projector, now old. Maybe the spacing between projector and screen is off, this is very important. How about the angle the screen makes to the projector. ie. the screen is mounted on wall or stand and angle is adjustable.

Rear projection. It's a problem that started really small at the top of the screen then gradually got larger down the screen to what you see in the photo.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
Rear projection. It's a problem that started really small at the top of the screen then gradually got larger down the screen to what you see in the photo.

On an older Computer Monitor I would say thats a degaussing problem. Static built up somewhere, or interference from another eclectrical device nearby.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
On an older Computer Monitor I would say thats a degaussing problem. Static built up somewhere, or interference from another eclectrical device nearby.

Nope. This not a CRT or LCD. And it had this problem in a different room than where it is now. We bought a new TV because of it (been wanted an LCD anyway). But it has gotten progessively worse very quickly and I don't want to go out and buy another TV. I'd rather have this one repaired if it doesn't cost too much.
 

David

Opinions are my own...
PREMO Member
Why don't you take a picture of the screen image and post it here. Just make sure the room is relatively dark with no sources of glare and turn off the camera flash...
 

David

Opinions are my own...
PREMO Member
My friend had a tv that looked like a 3d movie without glasses. Repair place want to replace a 450 dollar board. I replaced two IC's for convergence and then let him realign it per directions. He was happy with the result.
Kingfish, you for hire to do same for me? I have a circa 2000 Hitachi projector and the convergence board just went. I was going to trash it since the internet-based estimates said $400 for the board and $100 to install...
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
My friend had a tv that looked like a 3d movie without glasses. Repair place want to replace a 450 dollar board. I replaced two IC's for convergence and then let him realign it per directions. He was happy with the result.

What's an IC?
 

KingFish

Nothing to see here
IC is intergrated Circuit. Cost close to $100. in parts for the two IC's. There appear to be some cheap copies that have given results that range from OK to virtually 100% failure. It is highly recommended to buy parts that are known to be original Sanyo chips.

Convergence circuits correct the size, shape, and position of the scanned image (raster) by applying voltages and waveforms to the secondary (sub) deflection yokes on the neck of each CRT. These are windings in which a change in current results in a magnetic field that affects the behavior of the electron beam that scans the image on the phosphor. These yokes have horizontal and vertical windings similar to deflection yokes, but carry much less current and much lower voltages. Still, controlling the beam with the precision needed to match the images in all three tubes requires a reasonable amount of power. The amplifiers that drive these yokes are similar to those used in less expensive audio applications such as lower end receivers and portable (boom box) devices.

There are six channels that need to be amplified, horizontal and vertical for red, green, and blue. Most systems use integrated circuit designs with 2, 3, or 6 channels per chip. They are almost always STK series chips made by Sanyo. Some sets have used discrete transistors for these amps, but they are relatively rare. Most of the chips range in power rating from 20 watts to 70 watts. The run constantly when the set is on so they do tend to get hot. Temperatures in the range of 130 to 160 degrees F are not uncommon. Imagine an audio receiver running with the volume at a fairly loud level constantly. This is what these units do. Consequently, there are failures.

The correction starts with a series of waveforms applied to the amplifiers, along with a small dc offset. The waveforms are typically combinations of parabolas (for correction such as pincushion), sawtooths or ramp functions (for keystone and skew), and more complex patterns for point convergence. Vertical correction is applied at horizontal scan rates or factors and multiples of it, and horizontal correction is applied at vertical rates or factors and multiples of it. The chips must, therefore operate over frequencies that are typical of audio amps for conventional NTSC systems, and much higher rates for HD systems. The bandwidth of the ICs ranges from just adequate for NTSC as roughly 15kHz to over 100kHz, far beyond what is needed for HD applications. Most of the current chips have adequate bandwidth, some from a few years ago are marginal and should be upgraded to later versions. I will cover that in another post.

The dc offset is typically no more than a few hundred millivolts. Too much dc, or too much correction at the limits of the capability of the chips can cause them to run very hot. Heat is not a good thing for most semiconductors, so proper set-up is important. The dc offset is typically going to effect position changes (called static convergence) with little or no effect on the size and shape of the picture (called dynamic convergence).

The waveforms are generally generated in a circuit area called the convergence generator, which may be a separate module or combined with another set of circuits on a larger board. The correction signals are then applied to the input to the output ICs as a combination of the waveforms needed to correct the image. At that point the signals are in the hundreds of millivolts to perhaps a couple of volts. The output ICs amplify them and provide the power to drive the convergence yokes. They are usually powered by + and - supplies ranging from about 16 volts to 40 volts, depending on the design of the set and the chips chosen for that application.
 
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PsyOps

Pixelated
IC is intergrated Circuit. Cost close to $100. in parts for the two IC's. There appear to be some cheap copies that have given results that range from OK to virtually 100% failure. It is highly recommended to buy parts that are known to be original Sanyo chips.

Convergence circuits correct the size, shape, and position of the scanned image (raster) by applying voltages and waveforms to the secondary (sub) deflection yokes on the neck of each CRT. These are windings in which a change in current results in a magnetic field that affects the behavior of the electron beam that scans the image on the phosphor. These yokes have horizontal and vertical windings similar to deflection yokes, but carry much less current and much lower voltages. Still, controlling the beam with the precision needed to match the images in all three tubes requires a reasonable amount of power. The amplifiers that drive these yokes are similar to those used in less expensive audio applications such as lower end receivers and portable (boom box) devices.

There are six channels that need to be amplified, horizontal and vertical for red, green, and blue. Most systems use integrated circuit designs with 2, 3, or 6 channels per chip. They are almost always STK series chips made by Sanyo. Some sets have used discrete transistors for these amps, but they are relatively rare. Most of the chips range in power rating from 20 watts to 70 watts. The run constantly when the set is on so they do tend to get hot. Temperatures in the range of 130 to 160 degrees F are not uncommon. Imagine an audio receiver running with the volume at a fairly loud level constantly. This is what these units do. Consequently, there are failures.

The correction starts with a series of waveforms applied to the amplifiers, along with a small dc offset. The waveforms are typically combinations of parabolas (for correction such as pincushion), sawtooths or ramp functions (for keystone and skew), and more complex patterns for point convergence. Vertical correction is applied at horizontal scan rates or factors and multiples of it, and horizontal correction is applied at vertical rates or factors and multiples of it. The chips must, therefore operate over frequencies that are typical of audio amps for conventional NTSC systems, and much higher rates for HD systems. The bandwidth of the ICs ranges from just adequate for NTSC as roughly 15kHz to over 100kHz, far beyond what is needed for HD applications. Most of the current chips have adequate bandwidth, some from a few years ago are marginal and should be upgraded to later versions. I will cover that in another post.

The dc offset is typically no more than a few hundred millivolts. Too much dc, or too much correction at the limits of the capability of the chips can cause them to run very hot. Heat is not a good thing for most semiconductors, so proper set-up is important. The dc offset is typically going to effect position changes (called static convergence) with little or no effect on the size and shape of the picture (called dynamic convergence).

The waveforms are generally generated in a circuit area called the convergence generator, which may be a separate module or combined with another set of circuits on a larger board. The correction signals are then applied to the input to the output ICs as a combination of the waveforms needed to correct the image. At that point the signals are in the hundreds of millivolts to perhaps a couple of volts. The output ICs amplify them and provide the power to drive the convergence yokes. They are usually powered by + and - supplies ranging from about 16 volts to 40 volts, depending on the design of the set and the chips chosen for that application.

Wow... that's a lot. I should have known what an IC was. Must've been a brain fart.

Based on the photo, do you think this is the problem? Is this easy to fix or should I hire someone? Or should I just get a new TV?
 

KingFish

Nothing to see here
Wow... that's a lot. I should have known what an IC was. Must've been a brain fart.

Based on the photo, do you think this is the problem? Is this easy to fix or should I hire someone? Or should I just get a new TV?

Based on the photo, this looks like a horizontal oscillator fault. check electrolytic capacitors in this stage or in the power supply as voltages could be low. A clue is capacitors with domed tops or bulging,as they have dried up or gone open circuit. If this is indeed the problem, it is easy to desolder the bad part and replace with new ones. Mind you, I am no TV repair guy. :coffee:
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Based on the photo, this looks like a horizontal oscillator fault. check electrolytic capacitors in this stage or in the power supply as voltages could be low. A clue is capacitors with domed tops or bulging,as they have dried up or gone open circuit. If this is indeed the problem, it is easy to desolder the bad part and replace with new ones. Mind you, I am no TV repair guy. :coffee:

Well, you sound like one. :lmao:
 

KingFish

Nothing to see here
Well, you sound like one. :lmao:

I know enough about electronics in general that I do not mind taking something apart and trying to fix it. :lol:

I have designed circuit boards, populated them, tested, made changes, and packaged the design for different projects. I also am well versed in making custom wiring harnesses. Sometimes I think about starting up a small garage business fabricating custom cables and building up circuit boards.
 
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