Army desertion rates up 80% since 2003

[MMDad]

Hey quarter wit:

STFU!!!!!

 

[JPC sr]

Ferrous Canus, and Stupidus Giganticus.

That is not proof that is only a story, where is the proof Jimmy-boy you lying sack of cow excrement, show me where the President has ordered anyone to commit torture?

Sure,

another link about the criminal Bush adminstration is HERE.

And see that is a San Fransisco Newspaper link - but in it there are other links to the "Times of London" and "Voice of America" and many others reporting that the criminal President Bush has ordered the torture and even the execution of prisoners based on that info given under the torture.

Plus this is only one set of crimes for the Bush administration as there are more.

 

[Ken King]

Sure,

another link about the criminal Bush adminstration is HERE.

And see that is a San Fransisco Newspaper link - but in it there are other links to the "Times of London" and "Voice of America" and many others reporting that the criminal President Bush has ordered the torture and even the execution of prisoners based on that info given under the torture.

Plus this is only one set of crimes for the Bush administration as there are more.

You idiot. What your link takes one to is about the Congressional enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006. How is it criminal for the President to execute the will of the nation as dictated by Congress?

 

[ImnoMensa]

The people who deserted have problems. Some just cant take another tour, some are cowards, some probably have been there and dont want to go back, some may even legitimately believe that the US doesnt belong in Iraq.

Whatever their reasons for deserting, the last thing they need is a friend like JPC.

 

[hvp05]

The war mongering of this Bush administration

You are against war, under any circumstances, period. Only the most loony Leftists will side with you.

As Bustem - I think - said, at least you are consistent, as this stance goes hand-in-hand with your belief that the U.S. is a world oppressor and that we should bow down before the Islamofascists.

And I will ask this again...

Why should anyone vote for a person with a history of being a deserter and supporting other deserters, as you have?

This doesn't even necessarily have to relate to military deserters; that you have expressed a willingness to run from your obligations in your personal life as well as supporting others who choose to do the same, should be a 30 foot, red blinking warning sign to any voter.

Care to offer a reason why not... or will you now desert this thread?

 

[Thankful]

Care to offer a reason why not... or will you now desert this thread? [/QUOTE]

Wouldn't it be better for him to desert running again? I'll vote for that!

 

[This_person]

The military oath of contract for American soldiers is to serve the USA and not to blindly follows the criminal orders of our immoral President.

In a sense you are almost right. Military members must follow the lawful orders of those appointed above them. Since all of the orders we can tell have been lawful, that would mean the soldiers failing to follow them are acting immorally and dishonorably.

If the orders are unlawful, there are processes to follow, and military members are aware of those processes. So, to not follow those, and choose to act illegally, they are acting immorally and dishonorably.

The soldiers, as any American citizen, or any human being, need to be in subject to their own true conscience first and foremost.

Is English really your first language? Could you restate this in English?

Never mind, I probably won't like it if I could understand it.

The Bible puts it best by the Apostle Peter that we must serve God rather then men, link HERE.

What does the Bible have to do with an employment contract?

If our US Congress had the guts that our soldiers have then Bush and Cheney would be impeached as criminals.

Too bad they don't have people telling them that all the time.

Oh, wait, they do. Maybe there's a reason they don't do this, like there's no crime to impeach either one for?

 

[oldman]

I said it a couple of years ago and got red for it, why would anyone respond in any fashion to this idiot? You have to realize that if nobody responded he would just go away yet you continue to urge him on to post his goofy BS. Yes I know I could put it on ignore which I really should do but I also get a laugh at all the people that tell him he's nothing more than an idiot.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

I said it a couple of years ago and got red for it, why would anyone respond in any fashion to this idiot? You have to realize that if nobody responded he would just go away yet you continue to urge him on to post his goofy BS. Yes I know I could put it on ignore which I really should do but I also get a laugh at all the people that tell him he's nothing more than an idiot.

Well I agree.

Most of the posters above need to put me on ignore and get over it.

It is not going to harm my feelings as I can take rejection.

The "oldman" above is not just "green" with jealousy because he is giving a real way of doing something by putting me on ignore.

GO AHEAD AND JUST DO IT !!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ken King]

If JPC had served in the Army I'm sure his MOS would have been India-Delta-Ten-Tango.

 

[godsbutterfly]

It still boggles the mind to think on this man running for a political office for the USA when he seems to support nothing about our Government system and the beliefs and ideals upon which America was founded - Oh yeah, there's a little question in my mind too of if everybody deserted because they just felt like quitting wouldn't we be in trouble if a country like, say China came against us and a lot of our military was in that mood that day?

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

It still boggles the mind to think on this man running for a political office for the USA when he seems to support nothing about our Government system and the beliefs and ideals upon which America was founded -

The USA was NOT founded on the criminal beliefs and ideals of the Bush administration.

This poster is talking overly dramatic and the claims are far from correct.

Oh yeah, there's a little question in my mind too of if everybody deserted because they just felt like quitting wouldn't we be in trouble if a country like, say China came against us and a lot of our military was in that mood that day?

I was never promoting to desert or quit the military just because they "felt" like it.

The point is that military personel desert and quit because they will not obey the criminal orders given to the soldiers.

That is what I am talking about.

It happens in other Countries' gov actions throughout the world, one example link HERE.

American soldiers are not to obey criminal commands either.

 

[godsbutterfly]

The USA was NOT founded on the criminal beliefs and ideals of the Bush administration.

This poster is talking overly dramatic and the claims are far from correct. I was never promoting to desert or quit the military just because they "felt" like it.

The point is that military personel desert and quit because they will not obey the criminal orders given to the soldiers.

That is what I am talking about.

It happens in other Countries' gov actions throughout the world, one example link HERE.

American soldiers are not to obey criminal commands either.

You have been challenged by more than one person throughout this thread to prove that President Bush is guilty of criminal acts and beliefs and every shred of "proof" you have offered has been discounted as bogus. You have also been shown the Military Oath a soldier takes where they do pledge to take orders from their Commander in Chief. You are the one who will not stop being dramatic and refuse to see the truth. "NONE ARE SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO WILL NOT SEE."

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

You have been challenged by more than one person throughout this thread to prove that President Bush is guilty of criminal acts and beliefs and every shred of "proof" you have offered has been discounted as bogus.

That is not true.

I gave two (2) links in two (2) posts that show Bush as a criminal Presedent that tortures prisoners in violation of the Geneva Convention and I did not even add the US Supreme Court rulings about Bush's illegal mistreatment of prisoners.

That "KK" and you discount proof as bogus is not my failing.

1) First link proof already given in my post #18 with the military denouncing the criminal Bush administration link HERE.

2) Second link as proof from my post #22 of criminal President Bush with links included from around the world link HERE.

This is why I say all our USA military needs to defy the criminal Bush administration too.

You have also been shown the Military Oath a soldier takes where they do pledge to take orders from their Commander in Chief.

Perhaps the US Code of military conduct could be twisted to mean that soldiers are to give blind obediance to their masters but I say not.

Theirs is not to reason why, theirs is but to do and die, is an unAmerican value.

I put it best in the link I gave in my post #12 link HERE that We must obey God rather then men.

You are the one who will not stop being dramatic and refuse to see the truth. "NONE ARE SO BLIND AS THOSE WHO WILL NOT SEE."

That claim seems to fit others here more-so then myself.

Because I give links and info and proof and others do not.

 

[Ken King]

You idiot, this is the

US Military Code of Conduct -

I - I am an American, fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.

II - I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.

III - If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and to aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.

IV - If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.

V - When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.

VI - I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.

 

[MMDad]

While the totals are still far lower than they were during the Vietnam War, when the draft was in effect, they show a steady increase over the past four years and a 42% jump since last year."

The thing I find interesting is how the media spins these numbers to get the stupid people to

That data shows that the rate went from 0.7% to 0.9%

Of course, that wouldn't have made anywhere near as good of a headline.

These rates are much lower than I would have expected. Our military has to recruit from our general population, which has mental health problems to begin with.

The soldiers have also been raised in the "there is no wrong answer" self-esteem centric philosophy that became so popular in the last 20 years. What do we expect? They have been taught that if something is unpleasant, don't do it.

When you consider other pertinent factors, like the fact that about 33% of Army soldiers drink heavily, the numbers really don't seem that bad. This may be a trend that needs to be monitored, but I don't get the concern.

 

[godsbutterfly]

That is not true.

I gave two (2) links in two (2) posts that show Bush as a criminal Presedent that tortures prisoners in violation of the Geneva Convention and I did not even add the US Supreme Court rulings about Bush's illegal mistreatment of prisoners.

That "KK" and you discount proof as bogus is not my failing.

1) First link proof already given in my post #18 with the military denouncing the criminal Bush administration link HERE.

2) Second link as proof from my post #22 of criminal President Bush with links included from around the world link HERE.

This is why I say all our USA military needs to defy the criminal Bush administration too. Perhaps the US Code of military conduct could be twisted to mean that soldiers are to give blind obediance to their masters but I say not.

Theirs is not to reason why, theirs is but to do and die, is an unAmerican value.

I put it best in the link I gave in my post #12 link HERE that We must obey God rather then men. That claim seems to fit others here more-so then myself.

Because I give links and info and proof and others do not.

I don't believe you would recognize the truth if it walked up and introduced itself to you.

 

[Ken King]

Because I give links and info and proof and others do not.

News articles are not proof, though somone of limited mental capacity might believe so. And as to calling the President a criminal you need to back that up with varifiable proof not conjecture, not stories, not info.

The fact is that you are a criminal, you have been convicted of carrying out crimes, not the President.

 

[This_person]

This is why I say all our USA military needs to defy the criminal Bush administration too. Perhaps the US Code of military conduct could be twisted to mean that soldiers are to give blind obediance to their masters but I say not.

Your links show he's been accused of stuff, and he's not been charged nor found guilty of anything. So, that would make your accusations of Bush being a criminal false. You would be lying. Again. You have been accused of many things. Are you guilty of all of them, legally? No, you've never been proven to be an unfit father in court, only by everyone who knows of you. There are a long list of things you've been accused of, but you've never been proven guilty of in court. (of course, there's a long list of things you've been proven guilty of, too, but that's another story)

And, the only twisting of the oath are yours. No one, but no one, who was military believes they were to give "blind obediance", so only you twist and misinterpret.

We must obey God rather then men.

In Godly things you are correct in that statement. In employment contracts, you are incorrect in that statement.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

No one, but no one, who was military believes they were to give "blind obediance", so only you twist and misinterpret. In Godly things you are correct in that statement. In employment contracts, you are incorrect in that statement.

This is our BIG difference,

in that I put God before men and you say men before God.

I say God's law comes before the laws of man, and you are claiming an "employment contract" over rules the commands of God.

Acts 5:29 NIV, "Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than men!"

Those soldiers that defy the immoral orders of the Bush administration are doing right even though some men say it is wrong.