Biden Is Right: Occupational Licensing Laws for Hairdressers Are 'Not Helping Workers'

This_person

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Don't you think it would be more prudent to prevent the problem from happening in the first place?

No, freedom is dangerous. A barber might nick you, and that's a risk I think we should be willing to accept for freedom. And, a license won't stop them from nicking you, so.....

Actually, MD does offer a "Hairstylist" license if someone only wants to do hair services.

I fully believe that. I was reacting to the OP, not MD law.
 

This_person

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Would the same apply to a surgeon?

I looked up the potential outcomes of head lice, and the potential outcomes of bad surgical procedures. I think the two likely require a different level of scrutiny.

You dont need a cosmetology license to cut hair. You can do that with a 'barber stylist' license. That's only 1650hrs of apprenticeship ;-)

Just for S&G, I looked it up.
Minimum Requirements for Barber Licensing

A Formal Education/Apprenticeship


Individuals who want to meet the requirements for barber licensure must first satisfy the education or apprenticeship requirement set forth by their state’s department of barbering/cosmetology. All states recognize the completion of a barbering program, while some states recognize the completion of an approved apprenticeship in lieu of a barber program. Still others, like New Hampshire, require the completion of a barber program, followed by an apprenticeship.


For example, the New York State Department of State, Division of Licensing Services allows candidates to qualify through an apprenticeship, provided it is at least two years in duration and is completed under the supervision and direction of a New York State licensed barber.


The duration of a barber program, which may be found through either a dedicated barber school or a school of cosmetology, will vary from one institution to the next. To qualify as a candidate for licensure, candidates must complete a program that is recognized/approved by the board and/or meets the practice requirements set forth by the board.


Similar to cosmetology licensure, the number of required hours varies from one state to the next. For example, the Ohio State Barber Board requires the completion of a program that is at least 1,800 hours in duration, while the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation requires the completion of a formal barber program that is at least 1,500 hours in duration.


Some states also recognize a cosmetology license as meeting part of the requirements for barber licensure. For example, candidates for barber licensure in Tennessee must complete a program of at least 1,500, while licensed cosmetologists in the state may earn their barber license by completing a program of just 750 hours.

License Examinations


Upon the successful completion of a barber program or apprenticeship, candidates for barber licensure must successfully take a state license examination, which generally consists of a written (theory) section and a practical (hands-on) section. Some states utilize the written and/or practical examinations offered through the National-Interstate Council on State Boards of Cosmetology (NIC). The Montana Board of Barbers and Cosmetologists, for example, utilizes both the written and practical NIC examinations for barber licensure.


Minimum License Requirements


In addition to satisfying the education and examination requirements, candidates must typically be of a certain age to qualify for licensure. In Texas, for example, candidates must be at least 16 years old, while in Washington D.C., candidates must be at least 18.


Most states also require candidates to either possess a high school diploma or GED or have completed at least the tenth grade. Further, candidates for barber licensure may also need to pass a criminal background investigation and pass a medical physical.


Continuing Education Requirements


As a regulated and licensed profession, barbers must renew their licenses through their state board of barbering/cosmetology. Most states require either annual or biennial license renewal. Some, but not all, states require the completion of continuing education for license renewal, such as Connecticut, which requires the completion of at least 10 continuing education credits and Illinois, which requires the completion of at least 15 continuing education credits every biennial renewal period.


Licensed barbers may complete their continuing education requirements in a number of areas, such as safety and sanitation, professional development, or business practices, depending on the requirements set forth by their state board. Many licensed barbers also seek continuing education in areas such as business management and marketing if they have aspirations of opening up and running their own barbershop practices in the future.

To. Cut. Hair.

Or, you can ask your neighbor to do it, and give her a $20.

As I said, all that should be required to cut hair, should be a 10hr course on how to disinfect the tools of your trade how to recognize if someone has a communicable disease that involves their hair/scalp. That's the only public health aspect of hair cutting that state licensing should concern itself. If someone wants to use chemicals on someones skin or hair (perms, straightening, chemical peels, chemical tanning), they should be required to prove that they have the training to do so safely. From where I stand, the current licensing laws for barbers and stylists are simply a mechanism for the folks established in the trade to keep out competition. Of course, the result of this licensing scam are armies of unlicensed barbers and ladies who 'do hair' working in apartments. Kind of like the gun laws.

We agree, they are as effective and necessary as most gun laws.

I'm not sure why it takes 10 hours to tell people to keep their instruments clean, but...apparently it actually takes 1500 hours?
 

officeguy

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I looked up the potential outcomes of head lice, and the potential outcomes of bad surgical procedures. I think the two likely require a different level of scrutiny.

No crap ! You don't seem to think that there is a difference between pot and fentanyl. What's the difference with doctors ? If a surgeon is bad, nobody is going to see him, right ?

Just for S&G, I looked it up.

To. Cut. Hair.

Maryland has a separate 'barber stylist' license that has lower requirements and applies to only cutting hair and shaving.

I'm not sure why it takes 10 hours to tell people to keep their instruments clean, but...apparently it actually takes 1500 hours?

Well, a barber should be able to recognize how the different fungi and lice look like. Five hours, ten hours, whatever it takes.
 

This_person

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No crap ! You don't seem to think that there is a difference between pot and fentanyl. What's the difference with doctors ? If a surgeon is bad, nobody is going to see him, right ?

I think there is a HUGE difference between pot and fentanyl. I just know that if the argument is "freedom" and "liberty", there's no difference. As with the difference between a surgeon and a barber, I think that the argument is not specifically "freedom" and "liberty", but we should err on the side of freedom and liberty while still taking actual risk to the public into consideration.

As for the DEA's Schedule definitions, risk to the public is not part of those definitions. I was bringing up that exact point. However, if a Libertarian is telling me that it's not about pot per se, but about freedom and liberty, but they are not for fentanyl being available the same way as pot they are lying. They are for legalizing pot. If they say it is about risk to the public, then they are calling for a change in the definitions the DEA has overall, not for freedom and liberty but for a modification of regulation.

All I seek is them to be honest.

Well, a barber should be able to recognize how the different fungi and lice look like. Five hours, ten hours, whatever it takes.

So, some fungi are ok, and others not?

They need to know to keep clean. The market will make sure they do.
 

PeoplesElbow

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Even if I don't go to a particular hairdresser that causes a lice epidemic it could still affect me. I'm betting someone whose kids got lice because a classmate spread it that happened to get it from some random hair salon would not be happy.
 
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