Blessed Corpus Christi Sunday to You All

[ProximaCentauri]

I don't understand the term "transubstantiation".

I've never heard the term before, as a matter of fact.

Would you please explain?

TIA

Transubstantiation is a term coined in medieval times to describe the "miracle" that occurs during the catholic Eucharist ceremony that changes the bread (communal wafer) and wine into the body and blood of Christ. Even though the wafer and wine appears to one's senses as unchanged, they are changed 'literally' into the flesh and blood of Christ through this miracle.

Partaking in the Eucharist is necessary for salvation if you're Catholic. Which begs the question...does onel consider those who do not consume Christ's literal flesh and blood, Protestants for example, unsaved?

 

[hotcoffee]

Quick layman version: The catholic belief that the emblems/sacraments of the bread and wine are miraculously changed to the actual flesh and blood of Christ during the mass ceremony, and although the parishioners that partake are taking the wafer and wine from the priest, that looks, tastes, and feels like wafers and wine, they believe they are actually partaking in the actual flesh and blood of Christ.

Go figure.

Transubstantiation (in Latin, transsubstantiatio, in Greek μετουσίωσις metousiosis) is the change whereby, according to the teaching of the Catholic Church, the bread and the wine used in the sacrament of the Eucharist become, not merely as by a sign or a figure, but also in actual reality the body and blood of Christ.[1][2] The Catholic Church teaches that the substance or reality of the bread is changed into that of the body of Christ and the substance of the wine into that of his blood,[3] while all that is accessible to the senses (the outward appearances - species[4][5][6] in Latin) remains unchanged.

Magic.

Thanks. That's really interesting. I tried to look up the commentaries for the verse and there were none. It's like the verse was skipped.

To my thinking, the verse is not something we are meant to understand yet. There are verses like that all through the Bible.

But, this is how I read it, in prayer, the verse is meant to be clear at a later date.

First, the Jews don't drink blood. The animals they sacrificed were all drained and the blood was poured on the alter.

Second, Jesus didn't leave a body behind. He was still using the body when He met the disciples on the shore for a fish dinner.

So since the Jews don't drink blood and there is no physical body for them to cannibalize, then the verse is unexplainable.... IMHO.

John also went on to say that after Jesus said "Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you" in Capernaum a lot of his followers left Him. So perhaps it was meant to harvest those who would follow Christ even when the meaning of His words was uncomfortable or hard to fathom. The followers who remained were following Him by Faith alone.

Also, since Jesus didn't leave a body to cannibalize.... then IMHO.... it might mean that we can't really do anything to bring ourselves life. He's in control of everything.... and only through Him are we saved.

Sure... I also know that when I do take part in the Communion.... I do it as a believer and my thoughts are always on Him. It's not magic.... it's the Holy Spirit. That closeness we experience when we take Communion, break the bread and drink the wine, is the Holy Spirit. That's how I explain the magic.

But really, not being a preacher or a prophet.... I really don't understand the verse at all... and it's on the list of things I plan to ask Jesus about when I see Him.

 

[ProximaCentauri]

Thanks. That's really interesting. I tried to look up the commentaries for the verse and there were none. It's like the verse was skipped.

To my thinking, the verse is not something we are meant to understand yet. There are verses like that all through the Bible.

But, this is how I read it, in prayer, the verse is meant to be clear at a later date.

First, the Jews don't drink blood. The animals they sacrificed were all drained and the blood was poured on the alter.

Second, Jesus didn't leave a body behind. He was still using the body when He met the disciples on the shore for a fish dinner.

So since the Jews don't drink blood and there is no physical body for them to cannibalize, then the verse is unexplainable.... IMHO.

John also went on to say that after Jesus said "Jesus said to them, "Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you" in Capernaum a lot of his followers left Him. So perhaps it was meant to harvest those who would follow Christ even when the meaning of His words was uncomfortable or hard to fathom. The followers who remained were following Him by Faith alone.

Also, since Jesus didn't leave a body to cannibalize.... then IMHO.... it might mean that we can't really do anything to bring ourselves life. He's in control of everything.... and only through Him are we saved.

Sure... I also know that when I do take part in the Communion.... I do it as a believer and my thoughts are always on Him. It's not magic.... it's the Holy Spirit. That closeness we experience when we take Communion, break the bread and drink the wine, is the Holy Spirit. That's how I explain the magic.

But really, not being a preacher or a prophet.... I really don't understand the verse at all... and it's on the list of things I plan to ask Jesus about when I see Him.

There are many Catholics that agree with you, choosing not to believe in transubstantiation. And astonishingly, 45% of Catholics are ignorant of the fact that their church teaches the bread and wine have transformed into Christ's flesh and blood.

 

[Gilligan]

, choosing not to believe in transubstantiation.

Isn't that what SMECO always blames power outages on?

 

[b23hqb]

Isn't that what SMECO always blames power outages on?

I sort of think it is the pass you can buy for the DC Metro system, and transfer from one train of thought to another without ever changing your mind.