Bone Box Authentic Afterall?

[Railroad]

I think that all this just doesn't matter anymore. If we were all sitting around at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD, sure, it would, but, it's just been too long. I don't think it matters if Jesus had siblings, children, wife or even wives. It was just too long ago and people should focus on the moral issues of his life, and not so much the historical issues. I love history, but I'll be the first to say, the actual history of things is rather incosequential, it's what you come away with and learn that's important. This coming from a self proclaimed aethiest.

Yes but it's interesting to read about these things. My faith is a separate issue - and I have to work to keep it that way sometimes, but most Christians do.

 

[Penn]

Thank you! I will look through John.

Yes, it was custom, which makes me worry about who took what out of the New Testament of the Bible. Is Jesus mentioned outside the Bible? Where? Why? How could the Son of Man be only trumpeted after His death by Matt, Mark, Luke, John, and Paul (the old flip-flopper)? What if the writings of Mary Magdelene, recently discovered, become as authentic as the Dead Sea Scrolls?

I take what is in the Bible on faith, but in my mind I think there is still more. (I know 2A and maybe some others will slam me on that one, but it is how I feel right now.)

Your welcome!

Now, if you go to the Gospel of John, Chapt 13, you'll read the account of the Last Supper; it starts where He washes the feet of His Disicples, which ends at verse 11.
In verse 21, He exclaims "The truth is, one of you will betray me!"

Verse 22 says "the disciples looked at each other, wondering whom He could mean."

Verse 23 then says "One of Jesus' disciples, the one Jesus loved, was sitting next to Jesus at the table."

Next time you get to look at a painting or photograph of the Last Supper, you'll see the person sitting next to Jesus, on His left, is John.

In chapt 21, it's verse 20 where Peter turns and sees "the disciple that Jesus loved' following them.

There may be more examples, but those are two that I knew of.

 

[AMP]

Your welcome!

Now, if you go to the Gospel of John, Chapt 13, you'll read the account of the Last Supper; it starts where He washes the feet of His Disicples, which ends at verse 11.
In verse 21, He exclaims "The truth is, one of you will betray me!"

Verse 22 says "the disciples looked at each other, wondering whom He could mean."

Verse 23 then says "One of Jesus' disciples, the one Jesus loved, was sitting next to Jesus at the table."

Next time you get to look at a painting or photograph of the Last Supper, you'll see the person sitting next to Jesus, on His left, is John.

In chapt 21, it's verse 20 where Peter turns and sees "the disciple that Jesus loved' following them.

There may be more examples, but those are two that I knew of.

I don't know, my mind dosn't want to let this rest. Why couldn't the disciple indicated by the word loved have been a woman? Who knows but the Council didn't change out a few pronouns? We don't. So I take what's in there as all there is for now.

Now that I think about it, at a gut level, I always had a weird feeling about some other guy leaning on Jesus' bosom (talking since the age of 7 when we first started reading the Gospels in school and going to Mass once a week). It just didn't fit.

And I would NOT look to DaVinci's painting to clarify anything. Besides, I want the Bible to tell me, not a painting from some guy in the 16th century, or any other version. They were not there.

Cool discussion, but that is all for me for now.

 

[Penn]

I don't know, my mind dosn't want to let this rest. Why couldn't the disciple indicated by the word loved have been a woman? Who knows but the Council didn't change out a few pronouns? We don't. So I take what's in there as all there is for now.

Now that I think about it, at a gut level, I always had a weird feeling about some other guy leaning on Jesus' bosom (talking since the age of 7 when we first started reading the Gospels in school and going to Mass once a week). It just didn't fit.

And I would NOT look to DaVinci's painting to clarify anything. Besides, I want the Bible to tell me, not a painting from some guy in the 16th century, or any other version. They were not there.

Cool discussion, but that is all for me for now.

That's OK, all I was trying to give you were the instances where I knew I'd seen that reference in the Bible. We all have to work these things out in our minds, and like 2nd Amendment says, the Holy Spirit will help you discern what is truth and what is not.

Lastly, and this is based on chapt 21, where Jesus says to Peter: "If I choose to let *him* live until I return, what is that to you?", it has been pretty well accepted that John lived the longest of all the disciples, actually died a natural death, and wrote the Book of Revelations on the Greek isle of Patmos(sp?). (Asterisks are mine)

We are still expecting the return of Jesus Christ, at anytime.

 

[2ndAmendment]

2A, please direct me to the passages which refer to John being "the disciple whom Jesus loved." I have a need of them for some other reading I am doing.

Thanks.

Try these, John 13:23, John 19:26, John 20:2, John 21:7, and John 21:20.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I don't know, my mind dosn't want to let this rest. Why couldn't the disciple indicated by the word loved have been a woman? Who knows but the Council didn't change out a few pronouns? We don't. So I take what's in there as all there is for now.

Now that I think about it, at a gut level, I always had a weird feeling about some other guy leaning on Jesus' bosom (talking since the age of 7 when we first started reading the Gospels in school and going to Mass once a week). It just didn't fit.

And I would NOT look to DaVinci's painting to clarify anything. Besides, I want the Bible to tell me, not a painting from some guy in the 16th century, or any other version. They were not there.

Cool discussion, but that is all for me for now.

We know the council didn't change a few pronouns because there are lots of original texts of the gospels from the first centuries still in existence. You, if you know ancient Greek, can go research them yourself.

 

[Toxick]

Can you imagine the kinds of fiction that could be written about the descendants of Christ's "siblings"? If you've read "The Da Vinci Code," you'll know what I'm talking about.

Read The Christ Clone Trilogy by James BeauSeigneur.



I highly recommend it to anyone - but I'd like to especially point it out to Railroad who wrote the above, and to 2ndA.... it's right up his alley.


One of the best pieces of literature that I've ever laid hands on. And all historical, cultural and religious references are accurate and documented It is quite an exceptionally researched piece of work.