D
dems4me
Guest
Last edited by a moderator:
hvp05
Methodically disorganized
Yeah, they oughta just disband the whole organization.dems4me said:
Or they could add a page to the Scout handbook that explicitly warns to not set up a tarp/tent in the middle of a field during a storm. (Or under power lines, for that matter.)
Maybe the blame should be put in its due place: on the shoulders of the Scout leaders. They clearly should not have been out there at all, since they were not properly educated about the environmental risks. If it had not been lightning it may have been a bear or a child drowning.
I believe the BSA is a sound organization -- their CPR training saved one Scout -- but they may be guilty of letting too many idiots guide their troops.
D
dems4me
Guest
hvp05 said:Yeah, they oughta just disband the whole organization.
Or they could add a page to the Scout handbook that explicitly warns to not set up a tarp/tent in the middle of a field during a storm. (Or under power lines, for that matter.)
Maybe the blame should be put in its due place: on the shoulders of the Scout leaders. They clearly should not have been out there at all, since they were not properly educated about the environmental risks. If it had not been lightning it may have been a bear or a child drowning.
I believe the BSA is a sound organization -- their CPR training saved one Scout -- but they may be guilty of letting too many idiots guide their troops.
I know, especially because I thought the great outdoors was supposed to be their forte' :shrug:
Why disband it?hvp05 said:Yeah, they oughta just disband the whole organization.
Or they could add a page to the Scout handbook that explicitly warns to not set up a tarp/tent in the middle of a field during a storm. (Or under power lines, for that matter.)
Maybe the blame should be put in its due place: on the shoulders of the Scout leaders. They clearly should not have been out there at all, since they were not properly educated about the environmental risks. If it had not been lightning it may have been a bear or a child drowning.
I believe the BSA is a sound organization -- their CPR training saved one Scout -- but they may be guilty of letting too many idiots guide their troops.
D
dems4me
Guest
hvp05 said:I guess the actual message isn't always enough to get someone's point.In the real world do people ask, "Can you draw a smilie to go with that?"
I just act them out in real life with over dramatic gestures
D
dems4me
Guest
hvp05 said:
only a finger here and there in traffic
D
dems4me
Guest
hvp05 said:
which day?
itsbob
I bowl overhand
DIng DIng Ding.. we have a winner.. ANYBODY can volunteer to lead a scout troop, as long as you are Male and NOT gay.. but the training for these adult leaders is pretty lame.. They teach how to make meetings fun, and cool skits to perform, but never saw adult training on outdoor skills, hypothermia, heat injuries, or lightning prevention.. and if I read the article right, it was a SCOUT not an adult leader the gave CPR for an HOUR (unbelievable as that is) good chance the adult (if there was one left alive) didn't know how to do CPR.hvp05 said:
hvp05
Methodically disorganized
They might look to alter that policy soon. I never go somewhere without doing some prior research and feeling assured that I can handle the terrain, weather, etc. I guess some of these suburbia-based, office-working fathers are under the harmful misconception that spending a week in the Sierra Nevada, or wherever, is going to be as easy as relaxing on the deck.itsbob said:
Lenny
Lovin' being Texican
itsbob said:
As a former and lifetime scouter, I will tell you that the idea is for the adult leader to bring some common sense to the table. If you haven't lived off the land you shouldn't volunteer to be the leader for living off the land. If your entire camping experience is renting a cabin at Yosemite, you shouldn't volunteer to lead a rock-climbing, camping experience.
This was a case of kids and leaders who were more concerned about staying dry than with avoiding a lightning strike. BUT (and it's a big one) it is rare to be struck by lightning. They avoided the granite outcropping but forgot the other warning about not being the tallest conductor in the meadow.
The main reason this article is newsworthy is that is follows closely the "deaths by electricity" episode at A.P. Hill.
willie
Well-Known Member
Someone objected to my question??? I asked an honest question that maybe all of us would benefit from knowing the correct answer. I myself would get under the granite outcropping but from what I understand, that wouldn't be wise.willie said:
Park officials said there was little else the troop could have done to prevent the tragedy.
“They did the best they could in the situation they were in,” park ranger Alex Picavet said. “They didn’t have metal poles, and stayed away from high points.”