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Highlander

Highlander

ONE NATION UNDER GOD
Beaver-Cleaver said:
Kind of like conservatives who are for the death penalty, for killing animals and are pro-gun and pro-Jesus but are anti-abortion.
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YEpper, all that makes sense to me. I am pro life and feel that all babies deserve a chance to live as you and I have. Maybe I should rethink my logic and deem it ok to abort babies who have liberal minds. When they develop a test for this, I will reconsider my point of view.
 
puggymom

puggymom

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This_person said:
You said that being pro-choice is about choosing. Well, what is it that is deemed an acceptable choice? Killing babies.

So, if pro-choice does not mean pro-having-the-option-to-kill-babies, what does it mean? What is the choice that does not include the intentional death of a separate life, with it's own DNA, it's own heartbeat, etc., etc?
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:cds::cds:---> because I told myself I was not going to debate



Most people who are pro choice will also fight to defend a woman's right to have a baby and her rights to make decisions regarding her pregnancy. We believe that her rights to obtain prenatal testing or not, have a home birth, not to be induced, etc should always take precedence over some one else's opinions and that no woman should be forced into a situation in her pregnancy she does not want.
 
nomoney

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This_person said:
You said that being pro-choice is about choosing. Well, what is it that is deemed an acceptable choice? Killing babies.

So, if pro-choice does not mean pro-having-the-option-to-kill-babies, what does it mean? What is the choice that does not include the intentional death of a separate life, with it's own DNA, it's own heartbeat, etc., etc?
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It means that those that are pro choice are for keeping this very personal choice for the person and not the government.

It does not mean that they think its okay to kill a fetus, shoot I bet the majority of the pro-choicers are disgusted by those that make that decision. But its their decision to make. Not yours, not their priest, and not some 65 year old bald white dude sitting up on capital hill.
 
This_person

This_person

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puggymom said:
:cds::cds:---> because I told myself I was not going to debate
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:lmao:
Most people who are pro choice will also fight to defend a woman's right to have a baby and her rights to make decisions regarding her pregnancy. We believe that her rights to obtain prenatal testing or not, have a home birth, not to be induced, etc should always take precedence over some one else's opinions and that no woman should be forced into a situation in her pregnancy she does not want.
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You and I have had this debate many times, and I respect your point of view regarding the vast majority of what you state above (the medical decisions involved).

However, her free choice of pregnancy is still, in mind, whether or not to get pregnant in the first place. Once she's made that decision and acted on it, she's responsible (as is the father) for the consequences of that action. Killing the baby is no more acceptable at three months into the pregnancy than it is three months after the pregnancy.
 
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Beaver-Cleaver

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puggymom said:
:cds::cds:---> because I told myself I was not going to debate



Most people who are pro choice will also fight to defend a woman's right to have a baby and her rights to make decisions regarding her pregnancy. We believe that her rights to obtain prenatal testing or not, have a home birth, not to be induced, etc should always take precedence over some one else's opinions and that no woman should be forced into a situation in her pregnancy she does not want.
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It's amazing how the small government conservatives are all for big government when it comes to enforcing their religious views. :yay:
 
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Beaver-Cleaver

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This_person said:
:lmao:You and I have had this debate many times, and I respect your point of view regarding the vast majority of what you state above (the medical decisions involved).

However, her free choice of pregnancy is still, in mind, whether or not to get pregnant in the first place. Once she's made that decision and acted on it, she's responsible (as is the father) for the consequences of that action. Killing the baby is no more acceptable at three months into the pregnancy than it is three months after the pregnancy.
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What about cases of rape and incest? :eyebrow:
 
Highlander

Highlander

ONE NATION UNDER GOD
puggymom said:
:cds::cds:---> because I told myself I was not going to debate



Most people who are pro choice will also fight to defend a woman's right to have a baby and her rights to make decisions regarding her pregnancy. We believe that her rights to obtain prenatal testing or not, have a home birth, not to be induced, etc should always take precedence over some one else's opinions and that no woman should be forced into a situation in her pregnancy she does not want.
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Well, for what it's worth..When my wife told me she was pregnant with our third child, I didn't really "want" it. Nor did I think I could afford another child. We were also having problems at the time. Thirteen years later, my third child is just as wonderful as the other two. I couldn't imagine life without her. Because of our higher moral beliefs, we knew abortion wasn't right. I'm so glad.

If you don't want a baby, don't get pregnant. We all know what causes that. Once you're pregnant, I believe we as human beings have the moral obligation to let that baby live. If you want to abort it, you better have a pretty darn good reason other than it just wasn't wanted. That's so wrong.
 
This_person

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nomoney said:
It means that those that are pro choice are for keeping this very personal choice for the person and not the government.

It does not mean that they think its okay to kill a fetus, shoot I bet the majority of the pro-choicers are disgusted by those that make that decision. But its their decision to make. Not yours, not their priest, and not some 65 year old bald white dude sitting up on capital hill.
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So, they think that killing the baby is an acceptable choice - even if they're disgusted by it.

That is what you're saying.
 
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Beaver-Cleaver

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This_person said:
They account for less than 1% of the abortions performed, according to Planned Parenthood.

They are the real conundrum.

Now that I've answered your question, how about answering mine?
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Actually, you're answer was:

They are the real conundrum.
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That's just another way of saying you can't answer the question because it's too difficult. :killingme

Ironically, this was just on the news this morning:
http://forums.somd.com/news-current-events/175014-woman-drugs-daughter-so-she-can-impregnated.html
 
nomoney

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This_person said:
So, they think that killing the baby is an acceptable choice - even if they're disgusted by it.

That is what you're saying.
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Continuing down this line of convo is going to make me have to state my opinion and I am not for stating my views and my beliefs on here about crap like this because if someone doesn't agree with me , it just means they're wrong and crazy. They're not going to change their minds - no matter what I say, so I don't waste my time. I believe what I believe and they believe what they believe, and yet somehow the world still manages to rotate.
 
This_person

This_person

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Beaver-Cleaver said:
Actually, you're answer was:



That's just another way of saying you can't answer the question because it's too difficult.
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I've actually answered it repeatedly before.

Morally, I believe that the child should not be killed. However, morals are only one way to determine law. Law should primarily be determined by responsibility, and the mother would not be responsible in terms of becoming pregnant in the case of rape (less than 0.5% of abortions are from rape/incest as of 2004 data).

So, from a moral point of view, I would believe that this should not be a reason to kill the child. From a legal point of view, I believe this would be the case where it's an option. When the health and life (physical) safety of the mother is in real jeopardy, the choice should be up to the doc, mom, and dad. The other 95+% should be illegal, like all other forms of murder.
 
nomoney

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This_person said:
Yep, having a conversation on opinions usually requires discussing what those opinions are.
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I simply stated that being pro choice does not mean you're all for dead babies. I'm pretty sure they don't run around the streets cheering everytime a baby gets aborted.

I don't feel the need to state what my belief is or why though. Does that really bother you that I don't want to get into it? Are you going to lose sleep? You won't change my mind and I might actually make you cry a little. Thats all that will come from me going on.

So have fun.......and fyi the time it took me to type this post two babies got whacked. :yahoo:
 
This_person

This_person

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nomoney said:
I simply stated that being pro choice does not mean you're all for dead babies. I'm pretty sure they don't run around the streets cheering everytime a baby gets aborted.
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I don't think that any sane person cheers killing babies.

But, by being pro-choice, they're saying that killing babies is an acceptable alternative - thus they are for that choice being one of the choices.
 
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