Calling it now

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
Legalizing pot was a bad idea. It may not cause mental issues, but it certainly does exaggerate the ones that are already there. People with anxiety get anxiety worse, people with anger issues get the worse…I’m not seeing any upside to any of this and I can see why some people thought prohibition was a good thing now.
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
Not yet anyway. The only upside is the state will get a new tax base. Then give it sometime and the database of weed consumers will be joined with the State Police firearm registration database and the confiscation will begin.
I can always count on you to see the bright side of things, Ken.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
I can always count on you to see the bright side of things, Ken.
It certainly isn't bright, pretty freaking sad is how I would describe it. They nibble away at you with distractions (making weed legal) and then waylay you (grab the guns). Kind of like one of the many features the USA PATRIOT Act gave us, you know spying on citizens and unmasking them when they have a need.
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
It certainly isn't bright, pretty freaking sad is how I would describe it. They nibble away at you with distractions (making weed legal) and then waylay you (grab the guns). Kind of like one of the many features the USA PATRIOT Act gave us, you know spying on citizens and unmasking them when they have a need.
The sarcasm was implied.
 

Bann

Doris Day meets Lady Gaga
PREMO Member
I went to visit a friend in VA Beach who gets tickets to concerts all the time at the Amphitheatre. Jelly Roll was there, and she asked me if I wanted to go. Long story, I never heard him before, so I said sure. The music and his message overall is fine - I wouldn't actually pay money myself to go, but it was something to do, we only went to hear him, so we were only IN the venue about and hour and a half.

But JFC. The entire venue seemed to be smoking weed! It wasn't a little bit - there were people all around us smoking it, a I can't stand the smell, and it was really making me ill, so I just moved back to the edge of the sidewalk so I could breath without smelling it directly. I don't care what other people do - I don't. But why is it OK to be smoking weed in public, but for YEARS you haven't been able to smoke cigarettes in public venues?

Anyway, lesson learned, and not to myself: consider the performer and their audience before going to another outdoor concert. :lol:
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
PREMO Member
I called it years - decades - ago. "They're gonna do it anyway" is never an excellent reason.
I remember some of those discussions on here, way back then. Still pretty much of the opinion that if people are stupid enough to do things like drink and drive - and alcohol, totally legal - they will be stupid enough to do things like get high - and drive.

If you've been to traffic court and looked at all the dregs of society coming to COURT DRUNK while begging for leniency from the judge - who is sick to death of hearing the same sob stories from the same people - you should know that you'll see THE SAME PEOPLE in that court who have been driving while high.

Legalizing it "because they'll do it anyway" JUST OPENS THE DOOR wider for people to do even more stupid things while high.

I remember people saying there was nothing wrong with people getting high quietly in the privacy of their own home - and I agree. Problem with that is, just like alcohol, they won't JUST use it at home.
 

Clem72

Well-Known Member
I called it years - decades - ago. "They're gonna do it anyway" is never an excellent reason.
Pot heads never really bothered me, at least not as much as drunks. If prohibition for the public good (not the person's health) is the real issue, then cigarettes and alcohol should also be illegal. But they aren't, so you might as well let the pot heads have their day too and just sin tax the hell out of it like cigarettes.

The fact of the matter is they (the pot heads, not the random occasional user) are going to do it anyway, we have decades of evidence of this, but making it illegal just fills our jails with otherwise nonviolent people and forces them into "the system" (where felons can't get good jobs and end up resorting to crime) and it promotes actual bad guys (drug dealers) to procure the stuff and do their posturing and turf wars and whatever other BS that is an issue.

So the end result of legalization "should be" more coins in the coffers, a lot less expense in housing "criminals", less expense in welfare for ex-cons who can't get a job, and a need for less violent drug dealers. But it remains to be seen if the "should be" turns out to be true.
 

Clem72

Well-Known Member
I don't care what other people do - I don't. But why is it OK to be smoking weed in public, but for YEARS you haven't been able to smoke cigarettes in public venues?

Anyway, lesson learned, and not to myself: consider the performer and their audience before going to another outdoor concert. :lol:
It shouldn't be okay to smoke in public, at least not any moreso than cigarettes. But just like some bars never enforced the no smoking rules, I assume some venues will similarly ignore pot smoking. Is pot even legal in Virginia Beach, I thought they didn't pass it? If not, I am pretty sure security didn't check peoples medical marijuana cards at the entrance. You can probably assume this was similar to going to rave and asking "why is everyone sweating and dancing in slow motion and drinking so much water?".
 

Bobwhite

Well-Known Member
It certainly isn't bright, pretty freaking sad is how I would describe it. They nibble away at you with distractions (making weed legal) and then waylay you (grab the guns). Kind of like one of the many features the USA PATRIOT Act gave us, you know spying on citizens and unmasking them when they have a need.
I usually like to cite "Atlas Shrugged" when the discussion turns to government fudge ups. This, however, puts me in mind of "Brave New World".
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
Pot is just another crutch for idiots. Like Valium or other drugs that numb the mind.
If the CBD helps with joint pain, fine, but smoking pot to get high is like getting drunk instead of enjoying the taste of the drink.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Dopers dope for a reason, and that reason isn't because they're healthy stable productive human beings.


Hardly, I have know a neighbor or family friend over 20 yrs .... one installs commercial security systems the other a 25 yr federal employee

Productive members of society .... one has been a pot smoker since the 1970's
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
Not condoning it or anything, just info, but I remember reading an article a long long time ago that said drunk drivers drive recklessly and fast, but pot smokers do the opposite. They are overly cautious when driving.

Can't corroborate, never smoked, never been with anyone driving that had.
 

phreddyp

Well-Known Member
Legalizing pot was a bad idea. It may not cause mental issues, but it certainly does exaggerate the ones that are already there. People with anxiety get anxiety worse, people with anger issues get the worse…I’m not seeing any upside to any of this and I can see why some people thought prohibition was a good thing now.
LOL!
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
PREMO Member
Not condoning it or anything, just info, but I remember reading an article a long long time ago that said drunk drivers drive recklessly and fast, but pot smokers do the opposite. They are overly cautious when driving.

Can't corroborate, never smoked, never been with anyone driving that had.
When I drove - under the influence - I thought I was being VERY CAREFUL. Then I would do something stupid - like overshoot a turn and end up on the sidewalk - then try to compensate - by driving BACKWARD on the sidewalk. Try to pass someone - on the inner shoulder, because I didn't know the difference.

Stoned was different. I did things slowly - like pull into traffic - because that car was going SO SLOWLY - but somehow they'd have to slam on the brakes while I was slowly moving into traffic. A lot like an old man who just doesn't drive well.

I don't find that reduced awareness and zero reflexes as being better than reckless regard for life. It's just different, not better.
 
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