Can Satan twist scriptures #171

wxtornado

The Other White Meat
Why do you all think God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden of Eden in the first place? Why, among all the trees in the Garden of Eden, did God deliberately include this tree, the tree that carries the warning: "in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die"?
 

Marie

New Member
Why do you all think God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden of Eden in the first place? Why, among all the trees in the Garden of Eden, did God deliberately include this tree, the tree that carries the warning: "in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die"?

God has Foreknoweledge, Just as he knew Eve would be tempted and sin he knew he would provide an atonement for that sin before the creation of the world.

Just like today we have a historical record of how he provided for the Jews and how they sinned and rebelled time and time again. We read it shake our heads in amazment that in hundreds of years they never learned their lesson, we know it, we see the conquenses of it, and yet we repeat history all over again do the vary same things.

Stands to reason why its called "Amazing Grace" that God would do this for people that hate him and are his enemys by nature!
 

Starman3000m

New Member
So, did Eve have any free will in the matter?

Yes. Eve already knew better because she was aware of the warning by God.
So, in her own free will judgment she chose to disobey God's instructions and believe Satan who lied to her. In other words she believed Satan rather than believe God.

(Genesis 3:1-6) verses:

1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

People can say they "Believe in God" but the truth is most People Don't Believe God.

God's Provision for mankind to receive Forgiveness and Eternal Salvation is to personally accept His Son as the Perfect Atonement for the remission of sin.

This is what Satan does not want people to do so he uses lies, deceptions and false religions to keep people from being Saved. Thus, most people reject that Free Offer from God because they either don't believe in God at all or those who do still believe they can earn their own way to heaven.

Also, many religions impose other rules, traditions and regulations as a deciding factor to Salvation. However, being repentant and serious about wanting to know God through placing faith in the Atoning Death of Yeshua HaMashiach (New Testament Jesus)is the only way to be reconciled with God.

Summary: Yeshua is The Tree of Life that you can partake of to receive Eternal Life.

Yet many will take issue with God's Plan of Salvation through Yeshua's Atoning Blood.
 
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Marie

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So, did Eve have any free will in the matter?
Are we defining Free will the same way? If we are than yes.
This does a great job of using scripture ( linked #) to explain Gods will Vs ours and how they operate.

First there is Gods Providence
Of Providence

I. God the great Creator of all things does uphold,[1] direct, dispose, and govern all creatures, actions, and things,[2] from the greatest even to the least,[3] by His most wise and holy providence,[4] according to His infallible foreknowledge,[5] and the free and immutable counsel of His own will,[6] to the praise of the glory of His wisdom, power, justice, goodness, and mercy.[7]
II. Although, in relation to the foreknowledge and decree of God, the first Cause, all things come to pass immutably, and infallibly;[8] yet, by the same providence, He orders them to fall out, according to the nature of second causes, either necessarily, freely, or contingently.[9]
III. God, in His ordinary providence, makes use of means,[10] yet is free to work without,[11] above,[12] and against them,[13] at His pleasure.
IV. The almighty power, unsearchable wisdom, and infinite goodness of God so far manifest themselves in His providence, that it extends itself even to the first fall, and all other sins of angels and men;[14] and that not by a bare permission,[15] but such as has joined with it a most wise and powerful bounding,[16] and otherwise ordering, and governing of them, in a manifold dispensation, to His own holy ends;[17] yet so, as the sinfulness thereof proceeds only from the creature, and not from God, who, being most holy and righteous, neither is nor can be the author or approver of sin.[18]
V. The most wise, righteous, and gracious God does oftentimes leave, for a season, His own children to manifold temptations, and the corruption of their own hearts, to chastise them for their former sins, or to discover unto them the hidden strength of corruption and deceitfulness of their hearts, that they may be humbled;[19] and, to raise them to a more close and constant dependence for their support upon Himself, and to make them more watchful against all future occasions of sin, and for sundry other just and holy ends.[20]
VI. As for those wicked and ungodly men whom God, as a righteous Judge, for former sins, does blind and harden,[21] from them He not only withholds His grace whereby they might have been enlightened in their understandings, and wrought upon in their hearts;[22] but sometimes also withdraws the gifts which they had,[23] and exposes them to such objects as their corruption makes occasion of sin;[24] and, withal, gives them over to their own lusts, the temptations of the world, and the power of Satan,[25] whereby it comes to pass that they harden themselves, even under those means which God uses for the softening of others.[26]
VII. As the providence of God does, in general, reach to all creatures; so, after a most special manner, it takes care of His Church, and disposes all things to the good thereof.[27]

Free will

I. God has endued the will of man with that natural liberty, that is neither forced, nor, by any absolute necessity of nature, determined good, or evil.[1]
II. Man, in his state of innocency, had freedom, and power to will and to do that which was good and well pleasing to God;[2] but yet, mutably, so that he might fall from it.[3]
III. Man, by his fall into a state of sin, has wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation:[4] so as, a natural man, being altogether averse from that good,[5] and dead in sin,[6] is not able, by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto.[7]
IV. When God converts a sinner, and translates him into the state of grace, He frees him from his natural bondage under sin;[8] and, by His grace alone, enables him freely to will and to do that which is spiritually good;[9] yet so, as that by reason of his remaining corruption, he does not perfectly, or only, will that which is good, but does also will that which is evil.[10]
V. The will of man is made perfectly and immutably free to do good alone in the state of glory only.[11]
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
What, in your opinion, is the answer to the question?

Some would argue that evil is something that just is in that it is part of the choices God gives us. Just as God exists so do the concepts of good and evil. They are not necessarily created, but just are. As impossible as it is for us to understand, I happen to agree with this.
 

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Pixelated
Why do you all think God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden of Eden in the first place? Why, among all the trees in the Garden of Eden, did God deliberately include this tree, the tree that carries the warning: "in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die"?

I'm going to step out on a limb here (because I know I will some disagreement)...

*********MY OPINION ONLY***********

The tree is not an actual tree. It represents choices God gave man. It represents God's knowledge that man would ultimately lead a corrupt and destructive history. Why did God put these choices in front of us? Why didn't he just make it simple and dictate that we all go His way? I don't know. I do know God gave us intuitive minds with emotions and intelligence to make our own decisions. It’s His creation and I dare not question it.
 

Marie

New Member
I'm going to step out on a limb here (because I know I will some disagreement)...

*********MY OPINION ONLY***********

The tree is not an actual tree. It represents choices God gave man. It represents God's knowledge that man would ultimately lead a corrupt and destructive history. Why did God put these choices in front of us? Why didn't he just make it simple and dictate that we all go His way? I don't know. I do know God gave us intuitive minds with emotions and intelligence to make our own decisions. It’s His creation and I dare not question it.

Interesting thought but why would God have to protect the Garden from Adam and Eve returning to it?
<DIR><DIR>Gen 3:24 He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.

Also to go along with an earlier anology there is no such thing as cold mearly its just an absence of heat.
Darkness is the absence of light.
Evil the absence of goodness.

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Pixelated
Interesting thought but why would God have to protect the Garden from Adam and Eve returning to it?
Gen 3:24 He drove out the man, and at the east of the garden of Eden he placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life.

I don't hold a literal interpretation of the story of the Garden of Eden, the 7 day creation, etc... I see it as God's way of explaining our existence and the fall of man. This, in my view, has no bearing on teh reality of our salvation.

Also to go along with an earlier anology there is no such thing as cold mearly its just an absence of heat.
Darkness is the absence of light.
Evil the absence of goodness.

Nevertheless, those opposites do exist. Cold does not exist by our choice. I can feel it when I go out in the winter. Darkness exists not because I am devoid of light. All I have to do is go outside at night or turn the light off. However, evil does only exist when man chooses to reject goodness.
 
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