Cedar Point Federal Credit Union Usury

blacklabman

Well-Known Member
Went to check my CD that matured yesterday. The current rate is 0.25% on a one year CD. Happened to notice on the web site that they were offering vacation loans for 9%. Thirty-six times the CD rate. Time to terminate dealings with CPFCU. As my CDs mature I will cash in. When the last one matures I will cancel my account. I would rather have the cash in my other accounts drawing no interest than to be locked in a one year CD. Plus my tax rate is 33%, so my effective interest rate is about 0.16%. Can't even get a fair bottle of scotch on a $20K CD.
 

intertidal

New Member
Went to check my CD that matured yesterday. The current rate is 0.25% on a one year CD. Happened to notice on the web site that they were offering vacation loans for 9%. Thirty-six times the CD rate. Time to terminate dealings with CPFCU. As my CDs mature I will cash in. When the last one matures I will cancel my account. I would rather have the cash in my other accounts drawing no interest than to be locked in a one year CD. Plus my tax rate is 33%, so my effective interest rate is about 0.16%. Can't even get a fair bottle of scotch on a $20K CD.

Do you trust online savings accounts? There are a few earning close to 1%:

Here is one:
http://www.ally.com/bank/online-savings-account/?CP=ppc1076945

Discover Bank also has one and I'm sure there are a few others.
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
nobody is paying squat interest unless you have significant change to invest.

9% for an unsecured loan is pretty good. Check out the interest on credit cards, more like 19% and higher.

Since CPFCU is member owned, any profit goes back to the members.
 
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czygvtwkr

Guest
I second Ally, have had an account with them since 2005 when they were GMAC. ING Direct is a pretty decent one too, my ole lady has an account with them.

Cedar Point has never paid worth a damn in my opinion, but they do have good customer service and great rates on loans.
 
nobody is paying squat interest unless you have significant change to invest.

9% for an unsecured loan is pretty good. Check out the interest on credit cards, more like 19% and higher.

Since CPFCU is member owned, any profit goes back to the members.

Mine is way lower.
 
Went to check my CD that matured yesterday. The current rate is 0.25% on a one year CD. Happened to notice on the web site that they were offering vacation loans for 9%. Thirty-six times the CD rate. Time to terminate dealings with CPFCU. As my CDs mature I will cash in. When the last one matures I will cancel my account. I would rather have the cash in my other accounts drawing no interest than to be locked in a one year CD. Plus my tax rate is 33%, so my effective interest rate is about 0.16%. Can't even get a fair bottle of scotch on a $20K CD.

So.... you're pissed because your bond interest didn't pay for your vacation?

:lol:
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
So.... you're pissed because your bond interest didn't pay for your vacation?

:lol:

Nobody is paying any interest. Inflation is leaving anyone saving to lose at least 3% a year.
What can you do. The banks and Credit Unions do not care about your money they can borrow from the Fed for even less than they pay you.

IRA's 401K's they aren't paying much either.

Thre is a rumor that soon they will start charging you for keeping your money.

When they do that I will keep mine at home.

At least Obama cannot take it out of my account electronically that way.
 

tommyjo

New Member
Nobody is paying any interest. Inflation is leaving anyone saving to lose at least 3% a year.
What can you do. The banks and Credit Unions do not care about your money they can borrow from the Fed for even less than they pay you.

IRA's 401K's they aren't paying much either.

Thre is a rumor that soon they will start charging you for keeping your money.

When they do that I will keep mine at home.

At least Obama cannot take it out of my account electronically that way.

And yet you wonder why I continually post that you are an idiot? So let's see what's wrong with your post...

Inflation is not 3%. It is barely 2%. (of course you will now argue that the standard measures of inflation aren't correct. Yet you will offer no other measure or intelligent alternative).

Your comments regarding the ability to borrow from the Fed show your standard lack of knowledge. I know it is against your religion to actually read something directly from the source...but someone else may wish to educate themselves:

Here is information on the Fed's Discount rate:http://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/discountrate.htm

Here is information on Required and Excess Reserves: http://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/reqresbalances.htm

Here is the most current daily rate sheet (note the Fed Funds and Discount rates): http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/H15/update/default.htm

ALL interest rates (let me repeat that...ALL interest rates) are a function of the Fed's Federal Funds Rate...which is currently targeted at 0-.25% (see link above for latest rate). Why are home loan rates so low? Why are yields on 10 yr Treasuries so low? Because the Fed has short term rates set at the zero bound and is actively purchasing US debt in the open market to further suppress rates. So your comment about IRA's/401ks is dumb on multiple levels. In addition to the zero bound, IRAs and 401ks are not investments. They involve sections of the IRS code that do nothing more than defer taxation until money is withdrawn. What an individual puts in an IRA or 401k is up to that individual (subject to limitations of a company 401k plan) So the 1 yr CD you can put in an IRA is the same 1 yr CD you buy in a non-IRA.

Your rumor is just asinine. There is no Federal proposal to charge individual savers. There is an economic policy debate over whether the Fed should stop paying interest on money the large money center banks are holding in the Fed banks. There are also proposals to charge a fee to those banks for holding money at the Fed banks. Both ideas are based out of the need to get banks to start loaning again and get credit flowing. Money held at the Fed is useless to the overall economy.

You may now revert to your common theme of telling the world how you are such an informed voter and citizen.
 

kom526

They call me ... Sarcasmo
If you need to take a loan out to pay for your vacation, maybe you should not be taking a vacation.
 
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czygvtwkr

Guest
Your rumor is just asinine. There is no Federal proposal to charge individual savers. There is an economic policy debate over whether the Fed should stop paying interest on money the large money center banks are holding in the Fed banks. There are also proposals to charge a fee to those banks for holding money at the Fed banks. Both ideas are based out of the need to get banks to start loaning again and get credit flowing. Money held at the Fed is useless to the overall economy.

You may now revert to your common theme of telling the world how you are such an informed voter and citizen.

I think you may want to reread that, I took that as he heard the rumor that CPFCU is going to start charging a service fee, Banks have been doing that for a long time if the balance was below a certain amount, so it really isn't that much of a stretch to think that.
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
If you need to take a loan out to pay for your vacation, maybe you should not be taking a vacation.

And anyone who is borrowing money to go on vacation is showing that they are a credit risk and should be paying a higher rate. 9% is pretty low for that.
 
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czygvtwkr

Guest
Looking at their website I see a Personal Loan listed as "Any Reason" for 9%, so maybe they were just throwing that vacation on there try to drum up some more business.

The vacation loan isn't listed in the chart with the other types but in the ad up top it is limited to $3k, which is not much more than spending cash for a family vacation.
 
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1stGenSMIB

Active Member
I think you may want to reread that, I took that as he heard the rumor that CPFCU is going to start charging a service fee, Banks have been doing that for a long time if the balance was below a certain amount, so it really isn't that much of a stretch to think that.

CPFCU also charges a non-use fee of $5/month if your account sits idle for more than 6 months. :thumbsdown: I do not know if that is the same fee you were mentioning or not. I am about to close my account there too, as Pentagon Federal CU has a lower minimum balance ($5 maybe???) and the last couple of cars I've purchased with a PFCU loan have had a lower rate than CPFCU (1.9% if I recall..the car is paid off now.) :yay:
 
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officeguy

Well-Known Member
The usury limit in MD is 24%. CFCU as a federally chartered credit union is not subject to that limit. 9% doesn't sound bad for a unsecured personal loan.

Oh, and savings and CD rates have been in the toilet for a number of years as a downside to the attempts to prop up the poor economy. The european central bank just announced that they will charge banks for depositing money with them.
 

FollowTheMoney

New Member
And yet you wonder why I continually post that you are an idiot? So let's see what's wrong with your post...

Inflation is not 3%. It is barely 2%. (of course you will now argue that the standard measures of inflation aren't correct. Yet you will offer no other measure or intelligent alternative).

Inflation at 2%, really. Been to the food store lately? Everything is up 12-15% year over year. Every year. Meats, cheese and dairy much more! Package
sizes being redused to hide most increases!


Your comments regarding the ability to borrow from the Fed show your standard lack of knowledge. I know it is against your religion to actually read something directly from the source...but someone else may wish to educate themselves:

ALL interest rates (let me repeat that...ALL interest rates) are a function of the Fed's Federal Funds Rate...which is currently targeted at 0-.25% (see link above for latest rate).
We'll call this ZIRP "Zero Interest Rate Policy." So, financial houses, investment firms, banks, etc. can borrow form the fed at 0%-.25% And loan that out at 7-29% or more?
They are just middlemen for the fed raking in BILLIONS in interest payments on money created out of thin air.
At the same time, the fed has been buying, (creating out of thin air, over a TRILLION dollars per year,) mortgage backed securities, trying to keep the system propped up.
They have been doing this for over the past three years. That is well over three (3) TRILLION dollars. And you don't think that that kind of volume of money entering
the economy, in that short time frame, is not going to cause inflation in excess of 2%? You are the idiot!!!
These financial elites get first use of pre-inflated dollars before it trickles down to the consumer level.


Why are home loan rates so low? Because no one has the income anymore in which to afford a home anymore. The market has been stagnate for years! Even with home prices falling! Why are yields on 10 yr Treasuries so low? Because the Fed has short term rates set at the zero bound and is actively purchasing US debt (Called monetizing the debt because no longer are other countries crazy enough to invest in the US Government) in the open market to further suppress rates. So your comment about IRA's/401ks is dumb on multiple levels. In addition to the zero bound, IRAs and 401ks are not investments. Really, not investments? Then why do those accounts pay interest? Are not accounts that pay interest investment accounts? They involve sections of the IRS code that do nothing more than defer taxation until money is withdrawn. What an individual puts in an IRA or 401k is up to that individual (subject to limitations of a company 401k plan) So the 1 yr CD you can put in an IRA is the same 1 yr CD you buy in a non-IRA.

Your rumor is just asinine. There is no Federal proposal to charge individual savers. If there were to be talk, there just might be a run on the banks. So of course they're not going to publicly talk about it. There is an economic policy debate over whether the Fed should stop paying interest on money the large money center banks are holding in the Fed banks. There are also proposals to charge a fee to those banks for holding money at the Fed banks. Both ideas are based out of the need to get banks to start loaning again and get credit flowing. Money held at the Fed is useless to the overall economy. Yeah, yeah, yeah... look over here, nothing to worry about folks, we're just worried about the big money guys, thought smaller in number, not you small fry, with millions and millions of bank accounts.

The European Central Bank-PRESS RELEASE
5 June 2014 - Monetary policy decisions

At today’s meeting the Governing Council of the ECB took the following monetary policy decisions:
The interest rate on the main refinancing operations of the Euro system will be decreased by 10 basis points to 0.15%, starting from the operation to be settled on 11 June 2014.
The interest rate on the marginal lending facility will be decreased by 35 basis points to 0.40%, with effect from 11 June 2014.

The interest rate on the deposit facility will be decreased by 10 basis points to -0.10%, with effect from 11 June 2014.

What this means is the banks in Europe will now start charging customers to make deposits, individual savers etc.
If is happening there, it very well might happen here! To think otherwise is folly.


You may now revert to your common theme of telling the world how you are such an informed voter and citizen.

My comments in red.

Most posters are informed. Some more so that others. But to criticize because they may not articulate it well, just shows that you are the definition of a chicken vacuum!
 

Lurk

Happy Creepy Ass Cracka
I have broken the code!

And yet you wonder why I continually post that you are an idiot? So let's see what's wrong with your post...

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You may now revert to your common theme of telling the world how you are such an informed voter and citizen.

TJ is really Hijinx' wife!
 
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