Charging $ for Charging your EV. Guess why.

glhs837

Power with Control
Electric cars will not become feasible until you can plug them in and get them charged in approximately the same amount of time it takes to fill a gas tank.

Not if you do %99 of your charging at home, then it doesn't really matter.

And yes, a lot of folks cant do that yet, but many can. Instead of taking 5 minutes once or twice a week to fill your tank, you either plug in at home, or do so 10-15 or 20 minutes at a time in places where you normally spend that amount of time. Going to spend 20 minutes in Teeter of Gian, plug in and top off. 45 minutes for lunch at BWW, top it off. Cant do that with gas.

Most Americans have pretty small commutes, and its not reallt hard to imagine a few stops a week during other errands making it work.
 

OccamsRazor

Well-Known Member
Not if you do %99 of your charging at home, then it doesn't really matter.

And yes, a lot of folks cant do that yet, but many can. Instead of taking 5 minutes once or twice a week to fill your tank, you either plug in at home, or do so 10-15 or 20 minutes at a time in places where you normally spend that amount of time. Going to spend 20 minutes in Teeter of Gian, plug in and top off. 45 minutes for lunch at BWW, top it off. Cant do that with gas.

Most Americans have pretty small commutes, and its not reallt hard to imagine a few stops a week during other errands making it work.
You can't?
Why not??
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
Not if you do %99 of your charging at home, then it doesn't really matter.

And yes, a lot of folks cant do that yet, but many can. Instead of taking 5 minutes once or twice a week to fill your tank, you either plug in at home, or do so 10-15 or 20 minutes at a time in places where you normally spend that amount of time. Going to spend 20 minutes in Teeter of Gian, plug in and top off. 45 minutes for lunch at BWW, top it off. Cant do that with gas.

Most Americans have pretty small commutes, and its not reallt hard to imagine a few stops a week during other errands making it work.
Charging my car every time I go to the store, grab a bite to eat or run some kind of an errand sounds more like a second job.

Pass.
 

Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
Another aspect of this hard push to all electric is how easy it will make it for an enemy to take out far more with an EMP.

An ICE runs a small risk of being disabled but if they manage to get the bulk of the population to go Green... They better keep those Jesus Sandals handy.
 

black dog

Free America
Not if you do %99 of your charging at home, then it doesn't really matter.

And yes, a lot of folks cant do that yet, but many can. Instead of taking 5 minutes once or twice a week to fill your tank, you either plug in at home, or do so 10-15 or 20 minutes at a time in places where you normally spend that amount of time. Going to spend 20 minutes in Teeter of Gian, plug in and top off. 45 minutes for lunch at BWW, top it off. Cant do that with gas.

Most Americans have pretty small commutes, and its not reallt hard to imagine a few stops a week during other errands making it work.

A friend I shoot with owns a ev, he has about a 20 mile commute to work. Where he works installed free to employees tesla stations, he charges while hes at work. That was his main reason to by electric.
His cost per mile is almost nothing.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
You can't?
Why not??

Well, you could stop at a gas station and pump an extra 10-20 miles worth of gas, but it would be an extra stop that didnt make sense, unless maybe it was Hoagiefest. Most places you stop to shop or eat dont have gas pumps in the parking lot.

Charging my car every time I go to the store, grab a bite to eat or run some kind of an errand sounds more like a second job.

Pass.

Well, you wouldn't need to every time you go out. Say it takes 20 minutes while shopping to add 50 miles. For me, that one plug would would cover 2-4 days of driving. And I get to do something with that time, shopping or eating, which I lose going to a gas station. And you realize cahrging your car is literally less effort than grabbing a shopping car, or should be. Grab handle, plug in. If it takes longer than 15 seconds, you bought the wrong EV :)

Keeping in mind, if you charge at home, then you virtually never have to worry about it.
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
Keeping in mind, if you charge at home, then you virtually never have to worry about it.
From what I've read, EV owners tend, or plan, to do most of their charging at home anyway. That's my plan too. The big issue is extended trips as the range of most EVs isn't up to to that yet.
 

OccamsRazor

Well-Known Member
Well, you could stop at a gas station and pump an extra 10-20 miles worth of gas, but it would be an extra stop that didnt make sense, unless maybe it was Hoagiefest. Most places you stop to shop or eat dont have gas pumps in the parking lot.



Well, you wouldn't need to every time you go out. Say it takes 20 minutes while shopping to add 50 miles. For me, that one plug would would cover 2-4 days of driving. And I get to do something with that time, shopping or eating, which I lose going to a gas station. And you realize cahrging your car is literally less effort than grabbing a shopping car, or should be. Grab handle, plug in. If it takes longer than 15 seconds, you bought the wrong EV :)

Keeping in mind, if you charge at home, then you virtually never have to worry about it.
Also keeping in mind that with my gas-powered vehicle, I do not need to spend $$$$$ on a home charging system AND I don't need to wake up one morning and worry about how I will get to work because the power went out overnight :yay:
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
I do not need to spend $$$$$ on a home charging system
Couple hundred for cables to plug into your dryer outlet.

If you don't have an electric dryer, maybe $500-$1000 for a dedicated 240VAC outlet, which is insignificant next to the cost of the EV.

In most cases, you can use Level 1 charging, which is a standard 120VAC outlet, which are already in the garage and outside the house.
 

Kinnakeet

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It's being worked on, but won't be ready for a while. And when it is deployed, it will increase all associated costs including the charging itself.

I'm putting up solar panels on the roof for mine. It may take a bit longer, but it's "free".
You will now have roof leaks in your future...lol
 

Kinnakeet

Well-Known Member
EV's are worthless on long trips and pretty much worthless as F&*k and FJB give me gas guzzling hot rods and smoke pouring diesels any day of the week.
 

DaSDGuy

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Couple hundred for cables to plug into your dryer outlet.

If you don't have an electric dryer, maybe $500-$1000 for a dedicated 240VAC outlet, which is insignificant next to the cost of the EV.

In most cases, you can use Level 1 charging, which is a standard 120VAC outlet, which are already in the garage and outside the house.
Level 1 Charging
Typical Power Output1 kW
Estimated PHEV Charge Time from Empty5 - 6 hours
Estimated BEV Charge Time from Empty40 - 50 hours
Estimated Electric Range per Hour of Charging2 - 5 miles

Cool. After getting home from work and the store I can charge for 10 hours overnight. That gives me the ability to travel 20-50 miles total the next day. Yippee
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
Level 1 Charging
Typical Power Output1 kW
Estimated PHEV Charge Time from Empty5 - 6 hours
Estimated BEV Charge Time from Empty40 - 50 hours
Estimated Electric Range per Hour of Charging2 - 5 miles

Cool. After getting home from work and the store I can charge for 10 hours overnight. That gives me the ability to travel 20-50 miles total the next day. Yippee
Since most people drive less than 30 miles a day, it's an acceptable scenario.

If you drive more than that, and don't plan on putting in a better charger, then you didn't do your homework and you get what you get.
 

DaSDGuy

Well-Known Member
Since most people drive less than 30 miles a day, it's an acceptable scenario.

If you drive more than that, and don't plan on putting in a better charger, then you didn't do your homework and you get what you get.
I have a Honda Accord V6 that gets 35MPG. Works for me.
 

spr1975wshs

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Added to that... At this point, I doubt I'd even live long enough to break even.
We had a guy come out for a roofing estimate, which he did not give as in his opinion the rook is in good shape.
He spent about 30 - 40 minutes doing the inspection.

Asked him about solar panels, said at our age, would not be a good investment unless a government subsidy paid for them.

Salesman was Garrett from Long Home Products, thorough, professional, courteous AND honest.
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
I have a Honda Accord V6 that gets 35MPG. Works for me.
Not everyone is a candidate for an EV. I'm looking forward to it, not because I have to or I'm a green freak, but because I like the tech and the newness of it all. The EV I've got on order CAN fully recharge overnight from a 120VAC outlet, the 240VAC I installed and the proposed solar are just because I can. And with EVs going mainstream, the 240VAC in the garage is a huge selling point when I move. It also has solar cells, so if I drive less than 40 miles a day, it can replenish itself from the sun and not need to plug in at all (taking with a big grain of salt pending real world testing).

If you don't want an EV for whatever reason, fine, but you really don't need a million excuses and arguments. Just say, "I don't need or want one." Perfectly acceptable.

Oh, and BTW, I have NO intentions of giving up my 5.3l GMC truck that gets about 11mpg around town.
 
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Kyle

Beloved Misanthrope
PREMO Member
I can see a limited use for it in certain circumstances. not mine. But some.

It's the Fascist push to make everyone reorganize their lives and comply with this bullshit moronic religion of "Green Energy" and Global Warming.

Sorry.

I had a religion, didn't care much for it and it was way more rational than this new one the Democrats have come up with.
 
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