Child dies in unregulated care

Dymphna

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Child thrown to death on Hawaii freeway - Yahoo! News

I think this one is worse..

How many people out there against the death penalty don't think this guy deserves a little prick??

Do you think he can be rehabilitated??

And don't go for the mental illness bullchit either.. sane or insane, this guy needs to die.
I agree that that one was worse...but some of the details are missing...who was the man? who was the child? No one reported a child missing. Maybe it was the man's son, although police don't seem to think so.

Not to many folks here leave their children with apparent psychopaths, but lots and lots of folks on the forum have or knows someone who has left their child with someone they barely knew, maybe because they met through a friend.
 

aanderson

Member

Not to say this woman should not be charged...but if the accident happened the way she said it did, then isn't it a terrible accident? I opened my refrig the other day and smacked my son on the head accidently...it doesn't mean I did it on purpose.

I agree that sometimes parents have to leave their children with people they hardly know...and while it sucks, it is how things work. It is definitely a shame that this happened to this boy but I'm not sure the babysitter did this on purpose...then again maybe the whole story hasn't been released.
 
Not to say this woman should not be charged...but if the accident happened the way she said it did, then isn't it a terrible accident? I opened my refrig the other day and smacked my son on the head accidently...it doesn't mean I did it on purpose.

I agree that sometimes parents have to leave their children with people they hardly know...and while it sucks, it is how things work. It is definitely a shame that this happened to this boy but I'm not sure the babysitter did this on purpose...then again maybe the whole story hasn't been released.
I believe this is the woman who was spinning the kid in a sleepingbag and let it go in mid spin, launching it thru the air into a door frame. That's what the news articles said earlier in the week when I read them. Outright murder.
 

Ladybug76

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Not to say this woman should not be charged...but if the accident happened the way she said it did, then isn't it a terrible accident? I opened my refrig the other day and smacked my son on the head accidently...it doesn't mean I did it on purpose.
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I agree that accidents do happen and cases like this are so sad. Didn't they say that there had been more bumps and bruises on the child since being in the woman's care? As a mom of two boys, I know that at any given time they will have a scrape or bruise, etc. Either way, she used really bad judgement.

I feel so bad for the mom because she was trying to do the right thing...working and trying to earn a living for her child.
 

Sweet 16

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Not to say this woman should not be charged...but if the accident happened the way she said it did, then isn't it a terrible accident? I opened my refrig the other day and smacked my son on the head accidently...it doesn't mean I did it on purpose.

I agree that sometimes parents have to leave their children with people they hardly know...and while it sucks, it is how things work. It is definitely a shame that this happened to this boy but I'm not sure the babysitter did this on purpose...then again maybe the whole story hasn't been released.
An accident would imply it was something out of her control. Opening the 'fridge door and whacking your kid on the head is an accident. Whether or not she meant to kill him, she intentionally put a 1-year-old in a sleeping bag and swung him around. Why would anyone do that with a baby? Stupid yes, accident no. She should know better. :smack: If my kid came home with that many bruises, I would investigate and/or yank them out of there no matter what my work situation was. Your children are your top priority and she chose to ignore it because work was more important.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
So would the child be less dead if the woman was a registered daycare provider?

Why does being 'unregulated' have any bearing on this story?

I don't EVER remember asking to see a license when the teenager came over to watch my kids..

And is there anything in this womans past to suggest if whe went through the process and PAID the fees, that she wouldn't or couldn't have been registered?
 

barncat

New Member
I guess a licensed or registered childcare provider would know the difference between appropriate play and dangerous play.

My little one goes to her grandma who is a licensed childcare provider and she gets bumps and bruises. She plays rough and is always on the go at a fast clip and doesn't have the greatest coordination yet. Heck, I sometimes think she gets more bruises when my hubby and I have her because she's so active and a typical toddler that pushes the limits.

It's really sad that this happened and that the mother did not exhaust all resources before placing her child in the care of an un-licensed provider.
 

Dymphna

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Not to say this woman should not be charged...but if the accident happened the way she said it did, then isn't it a terrible accident? I opened my refrig the other day and smacked my son on the head accidently...it doesn't mean I did it on purpose.

I agree that sometimes parents have to leave their children with people they hardly know...and while it sucks, it is how things work. It is definitely a shame that this happened to this boy but I'm not sure the babysitter did this on purpose...then again maybe the whole story hasn't been released.
She would have had to hit the child's head pretty hard and she kept changing her story. Also, wrapping a 1-yo up in a sleeping bag...sounds like even his head was covered...that by itself isn't safe.
 

Dymphna

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So would the child be less dead if the woman was a registered daycare provider?

Why does being 'unregulated' have any bearing on this story?

I don't EVER remember asking to see a license when the teenager came over to watch my kids..

And is there anything in this womans past to suggest if whe went through the process and PAID the fees, that she wouldn't or couldn't have been registered?
If she'd been registered, she'd have been required to take trainings, which might include, among other things, appropriate play/games for toddlers. She would have been subject to inspections, where someone could come by any time and see how she was treating the children....and might be inclined to ask why a child has bruises or might notice inappropriate play or might notice a child being fearful of the provider. It's not perfect, but at least it's some sort of oversight.

AND no, that teenager that comes to your house doesn't have a license, but it's your house, where you have hopefully put away hazardous items, where you tell that teenager not to bring strangers in the house and where you will return within a couple of hours and have the ability to walk in without knocking and see what's going on, whether there is blood on the carpet or other questionable evidence.
 
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itsbob

I bowl overhand
If she'd been registered, she'd have been required to take trainings, which might include, among other things, appropriate play/games for toddlers. She would have been subject to inspections, where someone could come by any time and see how she was treating the children....and might be inclined to ask why a child has bruises or might notice inappropriate play or might notice a child being fearful of the provider. It's not perfect, but at least it's some sort of oversight.


You are REQUIRED to take a four-hour class to understand the rules and regulations for becoming a family child care provider. (from the MD Licensed Daycare site)

I don't think they'll get a degree in early childhood education in four hours..

And inspections? For one person watching one child?? You really think the state is going to waste their resources? I'm sure they can't inspect all of the day care centers with 50 kids let alone the one on one care givers.

And them coming to my house to watch my kids.. i don't think that matters in this great liberal state of MD.. if they aren't related, they must be licensed. Someone in the past saw another way people were making money without the state getting their 'fair share' so now they require BY LAW, that you have to be licensed.. and in doing so have to pay to get it.

It has nothing to do with the safety of your kids (on the most part) and nothing to do with early childhood education.. what it has to do with is making more money for the state.

This woman probably could have been a licensed day care provider IF she could have afforded to take the class and pay for the license.. she would have bene the same person and caregiver before and after the fact..
 

godsbutterfly

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Connecticut law is similar to Maryland law, in that anyone providing care for an unrelated child is required to be registered with the state.

Regardless of what I had to do - miss work or whatever - if my child kept coming home bruised up I would not leave them at that babysitters - especially if they had a bruise to the forehead. What a sad story.

As for the second scenario - that is so horrible. I can't imagine how the people who hit the child must feel. Whether the child was already dead before he threw it or not - who wants to hit a baby or any human body? What a demented creature this man is.
 

Dymphna

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You are REQUIRED to take a four-hour class to understand the rules and regulations for becoming a family child care provider. (from the MD Licensed Daycare site)

I don't think they'll get a degree in early childhood education in four hours..

And inspections? For one person watching one child?? You really think the state is going to waste their resources? I'm sure they can't inspect all of the day care centers with 50 kids let alone the one on one care givers.

And them coming to my house to watch my kids.. i don't think that matters in this great liberal state of MD.. if they aren't related, they must be licensed. Someone in the past saw another way people were making money without the state getting their 'fair share' so now they require BY LAW, that you have to be licensed.. and in doing so have to pay to get it.

It has nothing to do with the safety of your kids (on the most part) and nothing to do with early childhood education.. what it has to do with is making more money for the state.

This woman probably could have been a licensed day care provider IF she could have afforded to take the class and pay for the license.. she would have bene the same person and caregiver before and after the fact..
I can't speak for Connecticut, where this occurred, but you need to read further in the Maryland Regulations....that 4 hour course is only ONE course the providers have to take. In addition to that, they need to have current CPR and First aid certifications. They must take a course on SIDS and Shaken Baby syndrome...which right there would cover swinging a baby around, even without smacking them into a wall....PLUS another 10 hours of training before ever getting a license to operate. Effective July 1, 2008, that goes from 10 to 18 hours. And to stay licensed in Maryland, the current law is 12 hours of training every two years and as of 7/1/08 that doubles 12 per year.

Also, in Maryland, the poor overworked licensing specialist DO inspect Family Child Care homes, whether they have one child or even if they have none, because the state workers don't know how many kids are there, just that there MIGHT be kids there because they are registered for it. Just ask the woman who dropped by my house this week, just for that reason.

Where the overworked state employees tend to skimp is actually investigating UNregistered providers who are reported to them as operating illegally. The reason they fail to fully investigate them is in large part because the people who know the most about them either won't talk or will lie...those people are the parents who put their children in illegal care. Talk to a licensing specialist sometime and they will tell you about all of the "cousins" these illegal providers suddenly have. Parents will write a letter swearing to it.

Of course, as soon as some child gets injured, those parents start talking about how they didn't know it was illegal. :rolleyes:

As far as fees for licensing...the provider pays nothing to the licensing agency. The only fees are $45 to the fire marshal and if you have well water, you have to pay about $80 to have the health department inspect it. If you are on city water, you don't pay that... The 4 hours of training you mentioned is free because that is done by the licensing agency. CPR and First Aid could cost as much as $75 and could be as little as FREE, through St. Mary's Hospital. Other training hours run about $15 - $20 for a 2-3 hour class, but many, many classes are available for free through various grant programs. Plus the state has a program to reimburse training fees AND has a program for paying bonuses just to keep experienced providers, some of those bonuses are $1000 per year.

So, how do you figure that it's a money-making proposition for the state?
 
R

RadioPatrol

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So would the child be less dead if the woman was a registered daycare provider?

Why does being 'unregulated' have any bearing on this story?

Registerd = Employees finger printed, some sort of background check for loon's, State Oversight / Inspections ............
 

Dougstermd

ORGASM DONOR
Not to say this woman should not be charged...but if the accident happened the way she said it did, then isn't it a terrible accident? I opened my refrig the other day and smacked my son on the head accidently...it doesn't mean I did it on purpose.

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I am holding out on judgement on this case.

When my son was about three he took a header onto my asphalt driveway from the bedrail of my truck bed. Long story but when I told the ER. Nurse he fell approx six feet from the bed of the truck... they got my wife a I seperated as I was walking through the ER I heard the doc saying to a nurse "How the hell can you fall 6 feet from the back of a pickup?" hell I thought I was going to Jail before the night was over.

33" tires
approx 12" of tire cleareance
18" bed height
and a 36" tricycle motor standing on the rail.

this accident happened soo fast I turned my back for like 2 minutes and turned around just in time to see him up on the rail and holler NOOOOOO!

Just thinkin about it now still scares the shiat outa me!
 
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