Children Dead in SE Washington
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LexiGirl75
100% Goapele Head!
I stand corrected. My aunt tells me the crime scene happened in the houses and not the apartment buildings (something about the children only used the back door to leave out) and so I researched it using the google map of the scene given on Fox5's website. So, it's not the same building as my grandmother's but my recollection is that they were all apartment buildings in that particular vicinity of the street. It really doesn't matter but I didn't want to mislead. The two pictures show where my grandma lived and where the crime took place.
My apologies.
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latinamomma
Transam's wife
One child was taken out of school weeks ago and everyone was suprised when the lady of the house had all her things put out on the street. they thought the family was gettin' ready to move. then a couple weeks ago, the neighbor said the mom came and asked to get some water. you would have thought they would have smelt the bodies coming from next door.
This is just a very sad event....you have to wonder what in the hell she was thinking! those poor kids....
clevalley
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Now the mother says "The were possessed by demons and died one by one in their sleep..." - apparently she stabbed the 17y/o and starved the younger ones... they were all "bound at the neck"???
Dye Tied
Garden Variety Gnome
Now the mother says "The were possessed by demons and died one by one in their sleep..." - apparently she stabbed the 17y/o and starved the younger ones... they were all "bound at the neck"???
Channel 5 said they might have been dead since last May.
clevalley
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OMG -
This lady has some serious issues and should get put under the jail, then shot...
Now the mother says "The were possessed by demons and died one by one in their sleep..." - apparently she stabbed the 17y/o and starved the younger ones... they were all "bound at the neck"???
That lady is a total nutcase. To kill children, she should rot in jail or they should put her to death !! Death would be to eazy for her.
Dye Tied
Garden Variety Gnome
I'm just repeating what I heard on the news this a.m.
You know how they report things before all the facts are out.
Lenny
Lovin' being Texican
Is one of those deadbeat dads currently running against Steny for Democrat nomination for Congress?
Dymphna
Loyalty, Friendship, Love
If you search for Maryland court cases involving this woman, it gives various addresses over the years around Waldorf, until 2004 when her house was foreclosed on.
No crimes, just paternity/child support stuff, the foreclosure, and AFTER that the HOA tried to sue her related to the house she didn't own anymore There was a traffic violation from this passed June, which she didn't go to court for last month, so there is a warrant out for that.
Pretty tame stuff for a woman with demons. :shrug:
No crimes, just paternity/child support stuff, the foreclosure, and AFTER that the HOA tried to sue her related to the house she didn't own anymore
There was a traffic violation from this passed June, which she didn't go to court for last month, so there is a warrant out for that.Pretty tame stuff for a woman with demons. :shrug:
godsbutterfly
Free to Fly
If you search for Maryland court cases involving this woman, it gives various addresses over the years around Waldorf, until 2004 when her house was foreclosed on.
No crimes, just paternity/child support stuff, the foreclosure, and AFTER that the HOA tried to sue her related to the house she didn't own anymore
Pretty tame stuff for a woman with demons. :shrug:
This whole thing defies explanation - nobody really paid attention to these kids not going to school (except for the oldest one), nobody noticed the stench coming from the apartment, somehow she kept the kids from making any noise while she killed them - considering she stabbed the one girl to death that was no small feat. I agree that there is definitely more going on here than has been said so far. Poor children must have really suffered watching their siblings die one by one.
lovinmaryland
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Clearer Picture Emerges of Troubled Family|ABC 7 News
The four daughters believed to have been killed by their mother in Southeast D.C. have been dead since at least September and perhaps since May, according to court documents citing police interviews with the suspect, 33-year-old Banita Jacks.
D.C. police have charged Jacks with four counts of felony murder. Investigators say they are operating on the assumption that the four bodies found are those of Jacks' four daughters, 5-year-old Aja Fogle, 6-year-old N'Kiah Fogle, 11-year-old Brittany Jacks and 17-year-old Tatianna Jacks.
Family and friends say they had been trying for months to visit the girls. Acccording to the court documents, Jacks told police detectives that the children had started to die after the electricity was shut off at the home. Records show the electricity was cut off on September 5, 2007.
The criminal complaint also says "no witnesses reported seeing any of the children alive after May of 2007."
Jacks allegedly told detectives that her children were possessed, and that the children had died in their sleep one by one over a 7-10 day period. Also in the complaint, Jacks said she stopped feeding her kids and nobody has been in their house since last May.
Investigators say there are indications the oldest girl had been stabbed. The other three were likely suffocated or poisoned.
Tawana Crump, who said she shared a jail cell with Jacks, said, "She smelled like death." "Describe how she was acting in the cell," asked a reporter. "Weird, weird, she eat her food like this little teeny little bites," replied Crump.
"To see this happen is crushing," said Michael Powell. "All the girls were wonderful girls, from the oldest one to the youngest one. They were all very studious kids."
Powell was the first cousin of Nate Fogle, the father of Aja and N'Kiah. He says the family moved into the Southeast rowhouse after years of living on the streets.
"They lived in shelters, slept in cars, they lived in a van that I sold them," recalled Powell.
A charity that helps terminally ill cancer patients moved the family into the rowhouse after Nate Fogle was diagnosed with cancer. Fogle died in February at a hospice, leaving the four girls in Jacks' care.
After Fogle died, the family lost the right to live in the rowhouse. U.S. Marshals arrived on Wednesday at 9:30 a.m. to serve an eviction notice and found the bodies.
Relatives believe Jacks snapped after her boyfriend died. She didn't attend his funeral and wouldn't allow her daughters to attend, either.
Powell said when he saw the Fogle girls about three months after their father's death, it appeared they didn't even know their father was dead.
He says they asked, "Where is our daddy? Tell him to come home. We'll be good."
Powell says Jacks later appeared to cut off all contact.
"We stopped by there, knocked on the door last 7 or 8 months and we couldn't achieve any contact at all," said Powell.
Family friend Monique McAllister said the family had stayed with her for awhile because they had trouble getting into a shelter that would also allow Nate Fogle to live with them.
"She didn't want to go into a shelter without her husband and, you know, these days shelters aren't designed for families, most are designed for single mothers and their kids."
D.C. agencies are trying to track down all of the contact the family has had with the city. Mayor Adrian Fenty says the they know Child Welfare had been in contact with the family at least once, as had the police.
The four daughters believed to have been killed by their mother in Southeast D.C. have been dead since at least September and perhaps since May, according to court documents citing police interviews with the suspect, 33-year-old Banita Jacks.
D.C. police have charged Jacks with four counts of felony murder. Investigators say they are operating on the assumption that the four bodies found are those of Jacks' four daughters, 5-year-old Aja Fogle, 6-year-old N'Kiah Fogle, 11-year-old Brittany Jacks and 17-year-old Tatianna Jacks.
Family and friends say they had been trying for months to visit the girls. Acccording to the court documents, Jacks told police detectives that the children had started to die after the electricity was shut off at the home. Records show the electricity was cut off on September 5, 2007.
The criminal complaint also says "no witnesses reported seeing any of the children alive after May of 2007."
Jacks allegedly told detectives that her children were possessed, and that the children had died in their sleep one by one over a 7-10 day period. Also in the complaint, Jacks said she stopped feeding her kids and nobody has been in their house since last May.
Investigators say there are indications the oldest girl had been stabbed. The other three were likely suffocated or poisoned.
Tawana Crump, who said she shared a jail cell with Jacks, said, "She smelled like death." "Describe how she was acting in the cell," asked a reporter. "Weird, weird, she eat her food like this little teeny little bites," replied Crump.
"To see this happen is crushing," said Michael Powell. "All the girls were wonderful girls, from the oldest one to the youngest one. They were all very studious kids."
Powell was the first cousin of Nate Fogle, the father of Aja and N'Kiah. He says the family moved into the Southeast rowhouse after years of living on the streets.
"They lived in shelters, slept in cars, they lived in a van that I sold them," recalled Powell.
A charity that helps terminally ill cancer patients moved the family into the rowhouse after Nate Fogle was diagnosed with cancer. Fogle died in February at a hospice, leaving the four girls in Jacks' care.
After Fogle died, the family lost the right to live in the rowhouse. U.S. Marshals arrived on Wednesday at 9:30 a.m. to serve an eviction notice and found the bodies.
Relatives believe Jacks snapped after her boyfriend died. She didn't attend his funeral and wouldn't allow her daughters to attend, either.
Powell said when he saw the Fogle girls about three months after their father's death, it appeared they didn't even know their father was dead.
He says they asked, "Where is our daddy? Tell him to come home. We'll be good."
Powell says Jacks later appeared to cut off all contact.
"We stopped by there, knocked on the door last 7 or 8 months and we couldn't achieve any contact at all," said Powell.
Family friend Monique McAllister said the family had stayed with her for awhile because they had trouble getting into a shelter that would also allow Nate Fogle to live with them.
"She didn't want to go into a shelter without her husband and, you know, these days shelters aren't designed for families, most are designed for single mothers and their kids."
D.C. agencies are trying to track down all of the contact the family has had with the city. Mayor Adrian Fenty says the they know Child Welfare had been in contact with the family at least once, as had the police.
Dymphna
Loyalty, Friendship, Love
real nice..."your husband/BF died so you gotta leave." The charity is a nice idea, but they are missing a major step there, leaving a family homeless because the sick person died...they tend to DO that, you'd think they'd be a little more helpful for the rest of the family.
Sounds like the family made some phone calls to report their concerns.
Sounds like the family made some phone calls to report their concerns.
lovinmaryland
Well-Known Member
I think it sucks that the shelters wouldnt take the entire family. That is a bunch of crap.
Still doesnt make up for the fact that she is a whack job.
MMDad
Lem Putt
They gave them a home for a long time. He died in February, and they went to evict her the following January. In the mean time, she never made any effort to get a place to live or provide for her kids.
Are we, as a society, supposed to buy a house for people like this? Why are we responsible to give her what she was unwilling to work for?
The woman was mentally ill, and more often than ever before, they are sticking mentally ill out on the streets to live next door to us, expecting them to just take medication for their issues. The new thinking, medication brings a happier life, doesn't necessarily mean they are going to take the medication as directed, go to treatment and follow proper social norms and responsibilities.
I quickly glanced at the various statements made, and granted, they are just random, fact less statements at this point, but in one report, the Social Worker wouldn't just hand over her case file or reports on anything, which I wouldn't either, but I think/feel/suspect that she was just like the 1000's and 1000's of others who are stuck out there to fin for themselves instead of being locked up in a pill distributing environment. This is what your/my tax dollars get sucked up on We basically support a large majority of mental ill people out in society, stuck on extremely high numbered caseloads, give them money, welfare, benefits, medical insurance for them and their children, cross our fingers and hope nobody becomes a victim of their delusions.
Being a nut isn't a crime ya know!!
And, Maryland has very few mental health housing options. You have to be WAY out there to get in, not just a potential nut, but pretty much a certified nut. When she didn’t move, somebody should have been on the horn to check the welfare of everyone, her, the kids, sooner. How in the HELL can 4 dead bodies be up rotting in a house, on the system (welfare/housing/all of it I call the system) and not one effing person say
“maybe we should meet with the kids see how they are doing???” I blame the high case numbers, the system in general and the competency of some of those people behind the responsibility. Basically, you get what you pay for and hearing that family actually DID call, I lean more towards some lazy ass person not doing their job. The system failed those children… Sure the mother is a loon but the system failed, seriously failed, can not sway me to believe otherwise.
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dems4me
Guest
Did anyone see the interview with the neighbor on Fox5 last night or this morning?? He said he was still trying to come to grips with it all and he did notice a very bad smell coming from her place. He had NO IDEA that it would be dead bodies of the children. He just couldn't believe it. He said she threw all her belongings in the backyard as if to make people think she'd moved out or something and he couldn't figure it out - he said "well, we all knew she was still living there, she wasn't evicted". Not sure if that helps shed any light on a crazy person, but lots of people kept saying no one smelt the decaying bodies. A neighbor interviewed said he did smell a bad smell. 