Church Fathers on Immaculate Conception

[onel0126]

I feel the same way about the material wealth of the Vatican.

Thomas Aquinas, surnamed the angelical doctor, who was highly esteemed by Pope Innocent IV., going one day into the pope's chamber, where they were reckoning large sums of money, the pope, addressing himself to Aquinas, said: "You see that the Church is no longer in an age in which she can say, Silver and gold have I none?" "It is true, holy father," replied the angelical doctor, "nor can she now say to the lame man, Rise up and walk!"
(Adam Clarke 1831)

What gets lost when people get caught up in the "material wealth of the RCC" is what the RCC does with alot of that money. Colleges/universities, hospitals, crisis pregnancy centers, schools, seminaries, convents, food banks, mortgages on parish churches. To the uninformed (not directing this at you Zguy) whose answer is for the Vatican to sell off its artwork, empty its bank accounts all for the poor--I say the poor will always be poor. If people think organizations throwing out large sums of money to poor nations works, I would like to recommend reading the next budget that Congress passess.

 

[Radiant1]

What gets lost when people get caught up in the "material wealth of the RCC" is what the RCC does with alot of that money. Colleges/universities, hospitals, crisis pregnancy centers, schools, seminaries, convents, food banks, mortgages on parish churches. To the uninformed (not directing this at you Zguy) whose answer is for the Vatican to sell off its artwork, empty its bank accounts all for the poor--I say the poor will always be poor. If people think organizations throwing out large sums of money to poor nations works, I would like to recommend reading the next budget that Congress passess.

In addition, to sell off art work and the like would feed and clothe the poor for a day. Generating revenue from it feeds and clothes the poor for millenia and then some.

 

[Radiant1]

Indeed, I agree wit this, but also the Roman Catholic exaltation of a her is a travesty as well.

Fair 'nuff.

 

[Bavarian]

The Latin Vulgate is the Latin translation of the Bible done by Jerome in the 4th century. In Luke 1:28 we find the Latin translation which says "ave gratia plena which says: 'Hail full of grace.' The New Testament was written in Greek, not Latin, but the Roman Catholic Church derived its doctrine from the Latin translation, not the Greek original. Therefore, it constructed its doctrine on a false translation..

So, not only do you want Solo Scriptura, but only your translation. Riems-Douray is the correct translation.

 

[Zguy28]

In addition, to sell off art work and the like would feed and clothe the poor for a day. Generating revenue from it feeds and clothes the poor for millenia and then some.

I don't think that was Aquina's point.

 

[Radiant1]

I don't think that was Aquina's point.

I don't think it was either, and it was said in true Dominican style! Fancy that, even those who criticize can be one of our most beloved theologians and saints.

 

[baydoll]

It's not for me to point fingers at what I perceive to be your error;

If it's not for you to point fingers, Radiant, then why the heck did you?

Originally Posted by Radiant1


Said like a somewhat bigoted adherent to Sola Scriptura. Catholics might say you don't honor her enough and are in error because of it (amongst other things).

Now since you accused me of being in error (among other things) is it unfair to ask just what these errors are?

 

[baydoll]

however, my personal opinion is that without the authority given by God to interpret scripture, God becomes the author of confusion.

Unlike your Church, correct Radiant? There is NO confusion in your own Church, is there.

You want to go down that road Radiant? Because I would be more than happy to go down that route if need be.

 

[baydoll]

The countless and numerous "Protestant" sects and various and umpteen interpretations thereof, make a mockery of Him. I mean seriously, how many are there now?

I don't know, how many are there?

 

[baydoll]

Frankly, your lack of honor to the mother of God is, well, a travesty.

In what way, Radiant?

 

[baydoll]

Again, get a clue.

Projection. You R Doing it Right!

 

[baydoll]

Ummm, NO.

Be a big girl, put aside your bigotry and hatred, pray for guidance, and then re-read with an open mind and loving heart.

If you can't grasp it at this point, then there's no helping you. We can't feed you meat if you're only prepared to accept milk. :shrug:

Grasp what, Radiant? By all means spill it out, Hon!

 

[baydoll]

So, not only do you want Solo Scriptura, but only your translation. Riems-Douray is the correct translation.

And you know this is true how?

 

[Radiant1]

If it's not for you to point fingers, Radiant, then why the heck did you?

Now since you accused me of being in error (among other things) is it unfair to ask just what these errors are?

Unlike your Church, correct Radiant? There is NO confusion in your own Church, is there.

You want to go down that road Radiant? Because I would be more than happy to go down that route if need be.

I don't know, how many are there?

In what way, Radiant?

Projection. You R Doing it Right!

Grasp what, Radiant? By all means spill it out, Hon!

What modicum of respect I did have for you is now completely gone. You just aren't capable. I'll leave this thread to those with half a brain to determine things for themselves.

 

[baydoll]

What modicum of respect I did have for you is now completely gone. You just aren't capable. I'll leave this thread to those with half a brain to determine things for themselves.

Awww!! I just love you to pieces too, sweetie!

 

[hvp05]

What modicum of respect I did have for you is now completely gone. You just aren't capable. I'll leave this thread to those with half a brain to determine things for themselves.

It is interesting how arrogant people are also arrogant believers, isn't it?

Awww!! I just love you to pieces too, sweetie!

Are you related to seeamovie? She acts like a sanctimonious princess too.

 

[baydoll]

It is interesting how arrogant people are also arrogant believers, isn't it?


Are you related to seeamovie? She acts like a sanctimonious princess too.

Gosh the people on here are so nice!!!