Coal miners lose Free Black Lung screenings under Trump

StmarysCity79

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If the mine doesn't comply with safety regs, including required black lung screening, they can be shut down for non-compliance. I know laser exposure is an issue as well. So the company paid my eye doctor to perform the exam and provide a certificate saying it was done. The govts only role was to set the requirement that I couldn't work around lasers.

No, I do want to govt to monitor for compliance, not operate the program. And I want independent checkers, like the IG is supposed to be, to ensure that those folks charged with monitoring that compliance are not just industry tools. The group you mentioned were an entire group dedicated to doing the work the industry should be paying for.

How often do industries allowed to self monitor do right by their employees? Next you will want to let them determine how much coal dust they dump or let leech into the ground water.

Do you want o get rid of unions too?

Why are you against worker protections, This is exactly what the government is for to unite and protect the citizens.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
How often do industries allowed to self monitor do right by their employees? Next you will want to let them determine how much coal dust they dump or let leech into the ground water.

Do you want o get rid of unions too?

Why are you against worker protections, This is exactly what the government is for to unite and protect the citizens.
Well, that's where you need your govt to step in and enforce the law. Stop accepting settlements and seek jail time when companies behave illegally.

Anything you can settle with a fine is not really illegal.
 

StmarysCity79

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Well, that's where you need your govt to step in and enforce the law. Stop accepting settlements and seek jail time when companies behave illegally.

Anything you can settle with a fine is not really illegal.

That is exactly what they are doing. They are enforcing the law and privinding screenings to at risk rokers. If they show signs of devloping black lung they can then be moved to less dangerous jobs within the mine.

No for profit business is going to do this voluntarily since it doesn't help the bottom line or please share holders.

We need a regulatory mechanism to force them to do it.

This was that not it is gone.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
That is exactly what they are doing. They are enforcing the law and privinding screenings to at risk rokers. If they show signs of devloping black lung they can then be moved to less dangerous jobs within the mine.

No for profit business is going to do this voluntarily since it doesn't help the bottom line or please share holders.

We need a regulatory mechanism to force them to do it.

This was that not it is gone.
Providing the exams at govt cost isn't regulatory.
 

StmarysCity79

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Providing the exams at govt cost isn't regulatory.

So you think the companies will do it out of the goodness of their hearts?

Just like how trickle down economics helps the poorest citizens?

Can you give me some examples of companies putting their employees health and well being before their profits?
 

Ramp Guy

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That is exactly what they are doing. They are enforcing the law and privinding <---------screenings to at risk rokers <-------. If they show signs of devloping <------ black lung they can then be moved to less dangerous jobs within the mine.

No for profit business is going to do this voluntarily since it doesn't help the bottom line or please share holders.

We need a regulatory mechanism to force them to do it.
This was that not it is gone. <------ Is english a second language to you?
Again show the post where I said Trump wasn't impeached... You're such a liar. Show the post ! Step up and own your lie. Lying liars telling lies aka Stmaryscity79.
 
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PeoplesElbow

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Another example of malicious compliance.
Not exactly, almost everyone at NIOSH was fired. I know someone who worked there, they told me they weren't even allowed to put samples away for storage so they wouldn't go bad.


I can attest to the lab equipment needing to be ran. I ran such a machine in graduate school, I had to make sure it ran atleast once a week or it had to be cleaned, it was out of commission for two weeks to be cleaned, similar to the McDonalds ice cream machine.
 
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Bare-ya-cuda

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What incentive do they have if they decide to cut costs? Or use the cheapest crappiest testing services?

These are exactly why we need government protection for vulnerable groups.

And what if the companies refuse? there will be some desperate person willing to not be tested and and risk it because they need a job.

"the coal miners argued that the shutdown of the CWHSP — which operates within the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health — means the government is not meeting its legal obligation to coal miners or others as the work the agency is statutorily required to do is no longer being performed."


The rest of the answer is below from the article:

NIOSH plays a critical role in the Part 90 program, which allows workers diagnosed with black lung to transfer to a less dusty part of a mine without facing retribution or negative repercussions from a mine operator. Miners transferred under the rule have their pay, benefits and hours protected while being able to work in an area that is less likely to advance their black lung disease.

In order to qualify for Part 90, miners anywhere must have their black lung testing results evaluated and marked eligible by a NIOSH worker in order to be approved.
And the resurgence of black lung is hitting coal miners at younger ages than ever before. This is due to miners, because of a lack of easily accessible coal, being forced to dig through more silica-rich sandstone than their predecessors in order to reach what little coal remains.

“We’re seeing a lot of younger miners who are at that point [of needing a Part 90 transfer],” Johnson told the court Wednesday.
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How often do industries allowed to self monitor do right by their employees? Next you will want to let them determine how much coal dust they dump or let leech into the ground water.

Do you want o get rid of unions too?

Why are you against worker protections, This is exactly what the government is for to unite and protect the citizens.
yes, unions need to go. The times when unions weee need have long past.
 

Bare-ya-cuda

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So you think the companies will do it out of the goodness of their hearts?

Just like how trickle down economics helps the poorest citizens?

Can you give me some examples of companies putting their employees health and well being before their profits?
I wouldn’t be surprised if companies do it out of their own good will. Having employees out sick = being short employees to complete the work = less revenue.

A companies outside of NAS put their employees before profit. Especially the smaller ones.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
So you think the companies will do it out of the goodness of their hearts?

Just like how trickle down economics helps the poorest citizens?

Can you give me some examples of companies putting their employees health and well being before their profits?

Drive by any construction site. Look at the PPE being worn. Look at the safety measures taken. Ever been inside factories? I do on a regular basis, and I see evidence of companies taking steps to ensure worker safety all the time. From a tiny little company in northern MN that makes valves and such to Boeing and Harris.

Goodness of their heart? Afraid of fines if they don't? Motive doesnt matter as long as they comply. I worked for a month at a Boeing facility back in 2020. Safety was everywhere. Spent a week with L3 Harris on Long Island. And I wasnt in conference rooms, I was out on the floor working with hardware.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
I wouldn’t be surprised if companies do it out of their own good will. Having employees out sick = being short employees to complete the work = less revenue.

A companies outside of NAS put their employees before profit. Especially the smaller ones.
I've worked for four in my almost 30 years as a contractor. Even when I was a Dyna Dink, they were on top of safety. The other three have all had me involved in working outside at some point. Always treated like a pampered pet.
 

PeoplesElbow

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Drive by any construction site. Look at the PPE being worn. Look at the safety measures taken. Ever been inside factories? I do on a regular basis, and I see evidence of companies taking steps to ensure worker safety all the time. From a tiny little company in northern MN that makes valves and such to Boeing and Harris.

Goodness of their heart? Afraid of fines if they don't? Motive doesnt matter as long as they comply. I worked for a month at a Boeing facility back in 2020. Safety was everywhere. Spent a week with L3 Harris on Long Island. And I wasnt in conference rooms, I was out on the floor working with hardware.
Some do, some don't, this is where the unions are very useful, company funds the union to provide the healthcare and set up the PPE etc and then wash their hands of it.

My dad was one of the factory workers whose company didn't protect them out of the kindness of their hearts, almost everyone he worked with, including him got cancer. Several of the companies (same factory just got sold often) no longer exist, most that got cancer from exposure to carcinogens got $10k so they wouldn't file a lawsuit.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Some do, some don't, this is where the unions are very useful, company funds the union to provide the healthcare and set up the PPE etc and then wash their hands of it.

My dad was one of the factory workers whose company didn't protect them out of the kindness of their hearts, almost everyone he worked with, including him got cancer. Several of the companies (same factory just got sold often) no longer exist, most that got cancer from exposure to carcinogens got $10k so they wouldn't file a lawsuit.

Back around 1972, my Dad, who was combat aircrew in WWII, Korea and Vietnam left the Navy and got work in a puzzle factory in our hometown of Waltham Ma. They had bypassed the interlocks on the cutting press to speed production. So he was able to reach in to silde the newly cut puzzle out of the press and the press came down.....

Ended up with a hook. Small lump sum and medical paid for.

That was a long time ago. And you don't need the unions, just make the laws and enforce the damn things.
 

Czar

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Coal is great. Let's burn more of it, lots more. Put a small fee per ton to pay for black lung testing. A win-win!
 

stgislander

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Coal is great. Let's burn more of it, lots more. Put a small fee per ton to pay for black lung testing. A win-win!
Small coal-fired power plant in my hometown. Recently closed due to MD's shutting down coal-fired power plants. Never saw any smoke from the stacks. Plenty of steam but never smoke. The trucks hauling away the ash removed by the stack scrubbers was a daily occurrence though.
 

PeoplesElbow

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Small coal-fired power plant in my hometown. Recently closed due to MD's shutting down coal-fired power plants. Never saw any smoke from the stacks. Plenty of steam but never smoke. The trucks hauling away the ash removed by the stack scrubbers was a daily occurrence though.
I know those steaming trucks well. Don't know how true it is, but I've heard that ash is pretty nasty stuff. My grandfather was head electrician in a coal power plant, you could see the steam for miles, his house was about a mile from the plant and as kids we always had a great view of it from the front porch. He actually lived in the old mining town, the mine doctors house to be exact.
 
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