Confront Muslims with these questions. Thx

[chris_p]

All Muslims, whether fundamental or moderate, are taught that Jews and Christians must be brought under subjection to Islamic rule. I'd suggest doing some keyword searches: HAMAS, PLO, Suffi, Shia, Sunni, Islamic Constitutions, etc.

A brief easy-to-read starting point for learning the basic teachings of Islam can be found at: Research

I looked at your web site. You cite the Koran frequently, which I have read, though I am certainly no authority on it. You have put together a great deal of information on Islam, but I can't find any citations of contemporary clerics who could be characterized as "moderates" to substantiate your earlier claim that "both [Sunnis and Shia] have the same goal which is to annihilate the nation of Israel, exterminate Jews and Jewish culture and topple Western societies." Am I wrong? Moreover, what moderate Muslims support expanding Islamic rule to the West, which is implied in your writing?

I understand that throughout history religion has been used by demagogues to advocate the spread of empires, whether it be Roman, Islamic, Spanish. Certainly the West is guilty of that, too. But if you are going to say that modern Muslims advocate this, then please provide sources.

And if Muslims want to apply Islam to their own countries' laws, who cares? We do it here. Israel does it. I can't think of a country that professes atheism. Can you?

 

[Starman3000m]

I looked at your web site. You cite the Koran frequently, which I have read, though I am certainly no authority on it. You have put together a great deal of information on Islam, but I can't find any citations of contemporary clerics who could be characterized as "moderates" to substantiate your earlier claim that "both [Sunnis and Shia] have the same goal which is to annihilate the nation of Israel, exterminate Jews and Jewish culture and topple Western societies." Am I wrong? Moreover, what moderate Muslims support expanding Islamic rule to the West, which is implied in your writing?

I understand that throughout history religion has been used by demagogues to advocate the spread of empires, whether it be Roman, Islamic, Spanish. Certainly the West is guilty of that, too. But if you are going to say that modern Muslims advocate this, then please provide sources.

Modern Muslims advocate that the world convert to their religion and worship the god they worship. Any Muslim who does not advocate spreading the belief in Islam is not taking his/her faith seriously. In the days of Muhammad, Jews and Christians could practice their respective religions but each had to pay the Jizyah tax and were not allowed to proselytze their faith to Muslims.

And if Muslims want to apply Islam to their own countries' laws, who cares? We do it here. Israel does it. I can't think of a country that professes atheism. Can you?

China and Russia come to mind. Atheism is what is advocated in Socialist / Communist /Marxist regimes where the rule of the State influences the citizenry and any belief in a deity is not cool. Fact is, Atheistic governments are as guilty of committing genocide as any religious movement.

 

[chris_p]

Modern Muslims advocate that the world convert to their religion and worship the god they worship. Any Muslim who does not advocate spreading the belief in Islam is not taking his/her faith seriously. In the days of Muhammad, Jews and Christians could practice their respective religions but each had to pay the Jizyah tax and were not allowed to proselytze their faith to Muslims.

So I assume you do not have any direct quotes from modern Muslims that substantiate your claim that all Muslims advocate subjugating non-Muslims. Therefore, I have to assume, no matter what you say about the Koran, that this is your interpretation of the Koran and modern Islam.

The fundamental problem with your view is that you can take quotes from the Koran all day long, but that is meaningless when it comes to modern Muslims.

There are plenty of lame web sites that tear apart the Bible quoting from Genesis, Exodus and Leviticus. Have you read Leviticus lately? Can't eat shellfish? Can't wear cloth made from different fabrics (poly-cotton blends)? The Old Testament is replete with tales of infanticide, child abuse, slavery, animal abuse, murder, polygamy and cruel vindictiveness of a petty God.

Most Christians today choose to ignore these ghastly tales. They either accept that they are not relevant to our times or assume the tales are metaphors and lessons. Only a distinct minority really believe these apply today. And I highly doubt even those Christians avoid poly-cotton blend clothing and shrimp or other shellfish.

Have you ever looked at the Talmud? It's equally full of violence motivated by greed and vengeance. Most Jews take from the Torah and Talmud what is relevant to their lives today.

The vast majority of Muslims today do the same.

It would be insulting and rather presumptuous of you to claim that these Christians and Jews do not take their religion seriously. Why do the same for Muslims.

If you just admitted that you don't like Muslims, that would be fine. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. It would be a sweeping generalization, but this is a free country with freedom of thought and speech.

That is what the questions and your web site is all about, isn't it? Why go through all of these contortions?

 

[Pushrod]

First Saturday, then Sunday is a Muslim saying. It means first the Jews, whos holy day is Saturday, will be annihilated by the Muslims, then the Christians who worship on Sunday.
Read the book "Because They Hate" written by an ex-Lebanese citizen, Bridgette Gabriel for insight into the Muslim world.

 

[chris_p]

I've heard of her book, though I've never read it. I never seen her interviewed or met her. She may be well-intentioned. I don't know. However, she is a Christian phalangist -- the same people who carried out the massacres at Sabra and Shatila. Her claims against Muslim brutality is the pot calling the kettle black given her heritage. I believe Joe Farrah of WorldNetDaily is also Christian phalangist.

 

[Starman3000m]

So I assume you do not have any direct quotes from modern Muslims that substantiate your claim that all Muslims advocate subjugating non-Muslims. Therefore, I have to assume, no matter what you say about the Koran, that this is your interpretation of the Koran and modern Islam.

The fundamental problem with your view is that you can take quotes from the Koran all day long, but that is meaningless when it comes to modern Muslims.

There are plenty of lame web sites that tear apart the Bible quoting from Genesis, Exodus and Leviticus. Have you read Leviticus lately? Can't eat shellfish? Can't wear cloth made from different fabrics (poly-cotton blends)? The Old Testament is replete with tales of infanticide, child abuse, slavery, animal abuse, murder, polygamy and cruel vindictiveness of a petty God.

Most Christians today choose to ignore these ghastly tales. They either accept that they are not relevant to our times or assume the tales are metaphors and lessons. Only a distinct minority really believe these apply today. And I highly doubt even those Christians avoid poly-cotton blend clothing and shrimp or other shellfish.

Have you ever looked at the Talmud? It's equally full of violence motivated by greed and vengeance. Most Jews take from the Torah and Talmud what is relevant to their lives today.

The vast majority of Muslims today do the same.

It would be insulting and rather presumptuous of you to claim that these Christians and Jews do not take their religion seriously. Why do the same for Muslims.

If you just admitted that you don't like Muslims, that would be fine. You're certainly entitled to your opinion. It would be a sweeping generalization, but this is a free country with freedom of thought and speech.

That is what the questions and your web site is all about, isn't it? Why go through all of these contortions?

As I mentioned before, Chris, I commend you for giving Muslims the benefit of the doubt. The "Message to Moderate Muslims" within my website explains my position and it's self-explanatory; please take a moment to read it.

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