What about Detroit, Phoenix, Orlando, Atlanta and Dallas? All shall issue states. I'm sure I could think of some other cities with high crime stats which are also shall carry states. If you are going to argue shall issue, stick with the constitution because those other arguments make you look stupid.
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What about Detroit, Phoenix, Orlando, Atlanta and Dallas? All shall issue states. I'm sure I could think of some other cities with high crime stats which are also shall carry states. If you are going to argue shall issue, stick with the constitution because those other arguments make you look stupid.
DannyMotorcycle
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well said, i had to go back and check your name to make sure this wasn't my own post lol
I need to move from MD. smh
glhs837
Power with Control
I suppose the telling stat there would be crimes committed by permit holders that involve use of a firearm
I don't understand why that would even matter. We know in the Month of June, there were 49 people unlawfully murdered by a permit carrier. Baxter's point was that if permits were more accessible than there would be less crime. The cities I gave as examples refutes that argument.
How do "we" know that? Links? And what does having a permit have to to do with the underworld violence in the cities you listed?
glhs837
Power with Control
Because one terrorist is not the same as the normal every day permit holder. You talk about cities, not states, but I
I'll play, and note that the Chief of the Detroit Police department agrees with the more guns less crime idea.
Detroit
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...it-fatal-self-defense-shootings-up-crime-down
Phoenix
http://ktar.com/story/837714/turns-out-more-guns-equal-fewer-murders-in-phoenix/
http://ktar.com/story/837609/police-phoenix-saw-30-year-low-in-murders-in-2015/
Not finding a whole lot for Atlanta or Dallas that specifically mentions it one way or another. Would they have more crime with less permissive carry? Got me, but I'm willing to listen.
glhs837
Power with Control
He's talking about the Pulse shootings.
Ahh..roger that. I missed that connection.
Tito
Donkey Smell
shocking
Hiya kid. Glad to see yr still following me around. Keeps you off the street.
So if the Chief says their needed I should agree?
Got you beat by country mile, shortbus. And you are late with the explanation....so eff off anyway.
I've got work to do old man, It's not like my life is so unfulfilled that I sit here waiting for your reply. I'm not the moron who didn't understand that 49 people were just killed by a guy with a permit.
I didn't realize you were the resident idiot and spoke for everyone here.
glhs837
Power with Control
Didn't say that, did I? I just stated that he, the chief of one of the cities you cited as a place where concealed carry might not reduce crime, does not agree with you. I would think perhaps as a person pretty close to the problem, and having personally experienced both extremes of restrictive and permissive carry might have a little weight attached to his opinion. You can always have your own opinion. But not your own facts. You get to use the same ones as the rest of us.
These idiots from my home county in OH might have some bearing on it...lol. There is video of the whole meeting on the inter-web somewhere.
http://fox8.com/2015/07/09/shot-fired-inside-richland-county-courthouse/
http://fox8.com/2015/07/09/shot-fired-inside-richland-county-courthouse/
Does his opinion carry more weight than your opinion?
glhs837
Power with Control
I'm sure for most folks, it would, given his position and experience. For me, no, but I'm biased about the worth of my opinion, as are most folks.
I didn't even say you had to give his opinion more weight than your own, just pointed out what his opinion was. But I'll certainly give his more than yours.