problem is that someone is not going to quit drinking just to stay out of trouble. they have to quit b/c they know that they have a problem. sometimes it takes something bigger in life to reallize that you have a problem. obviously going to jail, paying lawyers, paying fines, losing your license, spending wasted money at Walden, wrecking your car(s), losing the love of your life, or losing your dignity isn't enough. it takes waking up and looking in the mirror and reallizing what a P.O.S. you are and what you've done to ppl to figure out that you have a problem! I.M.H.O.