What did I tell you about that guy? 
Dan Crenshaw
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Grumpy
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Rep. Dan Crenshaw Called 'Eyepatch McCain' at Texas Republican Convention
Rep. Dan Crenshaw was confronted and heckled by a group of people who don't seem to like his positions within the Republican party -- stooping to hurling nasty insults at the guy.
www.tmz.com
Oh pooh. Why would Dan Crenshaw or any of them bow to pressure from people who didn't and will never vote for them?
Crenshaw et. al. are grabbing guns because THEY want to. They are going explicitly against the voters who put them in office, the very people they are supposed to represent, and siding with whoever is really paying them and who they really represent.
And PS, THEY are not the RINOs. THEY are the leaders. If you're not in step with them YOU are the RINO.
HemiHauler
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AnthonyJames
R.I.P. My Brother Rick
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You know - on PRINCIPLE - I can get on board with Red Flag laws. I didn't read the bill - as, not surprisingly - many of those who voted for it on both sides did. I myself have seen creepy scary people flip out and do bizarre things - not necessarily deadly - and quite abruptly.
And when it happens, it gets a shrug from those around them, murmuring "yeah we all knew they were nuts".
I tend, mentally, to divide the gun deaths by type, because solving the problems have separate solutions.
We DO have lots of gun death in this country. Oddly enough, MOST of it is suicide. A GREAT DEAL of what remains is gang-related. Another portion is committed by law enforcement. Of the gang related deaths, a very large portion is in just a few large cities. A small portion of the total is the kind of premeditated first degree murder you see on detective shows. And then there's mass shootings, usually perpetrated by a lunatic - someone that everyone kind of KNEW was a lunatic - the kind of kid who tortured small animals, threw rocks at cars and set fires.
You really can't do much about suicides. And some reports don't include the two thirds of gun deaths that are suicides, unless of course they want to mention how many "gun deaths" there are, to embellish their argument.
GANG related violence - I think CAN be addressed. But stopping it requires a different approach. For one, passing gun control laws is stupid, because nearly all of these kinds of murders are committed with illegally acquired guns. Background checks, waiting periods, age limits - means nothing to a gang that can get guns.
That leaves the two remaining - the first degree types, crimes of passion, the kind you watch cop shows to learn about - and loonies out to kill strangers. I don't know how to stop the former. I don't have hard evidence, but I presume that law enforcement usually has their hand on this.
It's the last category I'm thinking of. Even though it gets the most news, it's the smallest portion. It gets coverage, because it's random. Stay away from drug infested areas, don't egregiously piss off a hothead, your chances are good. But a lunatic might kill anyone.
So it seems, your first line of defense is, be aware of who they are. I think it is horribly tragic that some lunatic goes on a rampage - and it surprises NO ONE.
Hijinx
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With red flag laws who makes the decision to confiscate a person's guns.?
Someone calls and say my neighbor threatened me or my neighbor is nuts. An ex wife with an axe to grind makes the call. Or the kids think their father is nuts and makes the call , who makes the decision and why doesn't the person who owns the gun have the right to defend themselves from the accusation before the law comes down on them and snatches their weapons.
IMO anyone frightened of the red flag law should take steps to hide a few weapons that only they know about.
Just in case.
Someone calls and say my neighbor threatened me or my neighbor is nuts. An ex wife with an axe to grind makes the call. Or the kids think their father is nuts and makes the call , who makes the decision and why doesn't the person who owns the gun have the right to defend themselves from the accusation before the law comes down on them and snatches their weapons.
IMO anyone frightened of the red flag law should take steps to hide a few weapons that only they know about.
Just in case.
And THAT is where I'm skeptical, because I've seen abuse of situations like this. I had a roommate arrested and taken out in cuffs and leg irons for a violent crime he NEVER committed. Fortunately for him, it was cleared within 24 hours. I can't imagine the kind of crap he'd endure if some nosy neighbor decided to rat on him continually.
We've already cultivated a whole strata of snitches who'll send their own mom down the river. But I also know that there is STILL that weird homeless dude who kicks dogs and screams at passers-by. There's just SOME things people should be aware of. I briefly worked in a liquor store years ago - we wouldn't sell to the drunk who frequently lay near our store front too drunk to move. When he came in barely cognizant trying to get more, we would lie to him and tell him he didn't have enough money or some other story.
I suppose bars have similar gestures - you just don't keep selling drinks to the guy who's barely conscious. You might sell a drink, but you may contribute to someone's death.
It's probably a lot - but it ought to be someone's duty to keep an eye on crazy people.
Hijinx
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It's much like the Supreme Court decision about the carry laws.
In Maryland the Police could decide who got to carry.
They still do I suppose, but by what right do the police have to decide who can defend themselves and who doesn't . The right to decide against a persons Constitutional right that is not supposed to be infringed upon.
In Maryland the Police could decide who got to carry.
They still do I suppose, but by what right do the police have to decide who can defend themselves and who doesn't . The right to decide against a persons Constitutional right that is not supposed to be infringed upon.
Plenty of these accusations have been made, as well as child abuse claims in bitter divorce proceedings
Link, searching through legislation that passed the House concerning Red Flag laws I found H.R.2377 but only 5 Republicans voted in favor.
In bygone days, they were called mental institutions.
Hijinx
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That's all it took.
Really? The 219 Dems that voted for it were already the majority, they didn't need a single GOP vote.
I guess what I'd like to know is - don't we have any, any more? If not, why not? If so, why don't we use them?
I can recall countless movies and TV shows depicting someone being committed who was eccentric but not dangerous or crazy.
We don't have those anymore?