DC Statehood

SamSpade

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I don't see a good way around this.

DC can never be a state - at least, not as it is. THAT much is in the Constitution. You can't have a state also be the center of the federal government.
You can carve out a tiny federal district - but then you STILL have residents with the same "complaint" - no 'representation'.So the idea of making "DC" a state minus the part that is a federal district, you have same problem - just a smaller number of residents. Even if THAT happens - I'm still unclear on the woding of the Constitution about carving up existing states.

You can't just give it back to Maryland. Maryland does not want it.

I do get some of the rationale FOR statehood - you have half a million people without direct representation in Congress. This is similar to the experience of people in the five U.S. territories with one exception - they don't have to pay federal taxes. (More or less). So while they don't have representation, they don't have to pay for it either. DC however - does. They do get money FROM the federal government - to the city, to be sure - but the federal government also collects a substantial amount of taxes from the District.

DC does have a non-voting rep in the House.

But near as I can gather - the point of a federal district is that Congress is itself representing the whole of the district, which is why so much of the management and logistics of the city is managed by Congress directly. The idea is that while representatives go to Washingto to BE represented, the District itself is represented by Congress as a whole body.

I can think of at least a couple - very costly - alternatives.

One is - District residents don't have to pay federal taxes. Done and done. Just like Samoa or the U.S, Virgin Islands. No taxes. The federal government will take a hit - right now they collect about 30 billion in taxes from the District - but in an age of multi-TRILLION dollar budgets - 30 billion is manageable.

There really needs to be a way to address the whole representation thing without going through the ringer of making a 69 square mile state - yeah, St Mary's County alone is more than FIVE TIMES that size.
 

Hijinx

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Sam you are assuming that they play by the rules and the Constitution, and we all know they can do just about anything they want to do now.
 
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stgislander

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Maryland doesn't want it back, but maybe they don't get a choice if the Federal Dems really push it. Maybe the Fed Dems sweeten the pot by giving MD an additional Representative.
 

Ken King

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Maryland doesn't want it back, but maybe they don't get a choice if the Federal Dems really push it. Maybe the Fed Dems sweeten the pot by giving MD an additional Representative.
Retrocede all non-government property back to Maryland. Dump it back on them and then get rid of NY 14rh and create MD 9th. That way they can give the 9th to AOC, she already lives around there. That would be pure justice.
 

stgislander

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I said once before recently, I'd rather give the Dems one additional representative than two additional senators.
 

LightRoasted

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Taxation without representation? BS. Those that live in the Federal District of Washington are represented by the entirely of Congress itself. They can write to any congress critter and have their voice heard.
 

SamSpade

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If I may ...

Taxation without representation? BS. Those that live in the Federal District of Washington are represented by the entirely of Congress itself. They can write to any congress critter and have their voice heard.

Yep. That's what I said, and why Congress manages so much of DC. They represent DC as a whole.
But if they wanted to put the issue to bed - they could wave federal taxes for district residents, as in our territories.
 

stgislander

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Yep. That's what I said, and why Congress manages so much of DC. They represent DC as a whole.
But if they wanted to put the issue to bed - they could wave federal taxes for district residents, as in our territories.
Boy, you talk about the gentrification of the neighborhood.
 

GURPS

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One is - District residents don't have to pay federal taxes. Done and done. Just like Samoa or the U.S, Virgin Islands. No taxes. The federal government will take a hit - right now they collect about 30 billion in taxes from the District - but in an age of multi-TRILLION dollar budgets - 30 billion is manageable.


how are 400k residents paying 30 Billion in Taxes
 

SamSpade

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how are 400k residents paying 30 Billion in Taxes
Look it up. But DC also has the second highest number of millionaires per capita.
And it's closer to 26 billion with about a billion and a half coming from business.

27-28 billion IS a lot even per capita - as "states" go it's about in the middle, although it has increased by a LOT in the last ten years.
 

GURPS

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Look it up. But DC also has the second highest number of millionaires per capita.


tbh I believe you, I'm really surprised I know there is money in DC, but I worked in a lot of poor neighborhoods in the 90's as well as Georgetown and Upper NW.
 

SamSpade

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tbh I believe you, I'm really surprised I know there is money in DC, but I worked in a lot of poor neighborhoods in the 90's as well as Georgetown and Upper NW.

Me too. And in some of the schools. Yuk. Could not believe it. But some parts of NW - yeah, they're rich. Stinkin' rich.
But if they want to get the benefits of a territory - no federal taxes. That'd bring back people, too.
 

Rommey

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One is - District residents don't have to pay federal taxes. Done and done. Just like Samoa or the U.S, Virgin Islands. No taxes. The federal government will take a hit - right now they collect about 30 billion in taxes from the District - but in an age of multi-TRILLION dollar budgets - 30 billion is manageable.
It has been introduced several times in Congress to exempt DC from Federal taxes, but it appears there is little to no desire to go down that path.

“It seems to me only fitting and just that D.C. residents should be treated as all other Americans. They should either have congressional representation with full voting rights, which requires a constitutional amendment… or they should be exempted from paying federal income tax,” Rep. Gohmert wrote in a 2009 opinion piece. “This solution keeps with the early history and democratic traditions of the United States as well as the precepts in the Constitution.”

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Rep. Gohmert also introduced versions of the legislation in 2009, in 2011, in 2013, and in 2015. It never received a committee vote, even though three of those four versions were under Republican House control.

The 2009 version attracted 10 Republican cosponsors, but the next threeiterations all attracted none. It’s unclear what caused the dropoff, though it be may be partially due to Rep. Gohmert’s own lack of pushing; the 2019 version hasn’t even received a press release on Gohmert’s official website, usually a standard move for Congress members introducing legislation.


 
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