Debt Free

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Look up the definition of opportunity cost.

"Opportunity cost" is a variable, nothing more than an educated best guess. At the time. Paying your debts off is a given, a rock solid place to be especially in uncertain times like these.

Sound advice. During good times and bad.
 

Baja28

Obama destroyed America
Wow...that's really too bad. Paying off a house is poor money management that is magnified by today's historically low interest rates.

Prof Money Wise and Dave Ramsey don't understand the basics of money management.

Paying off cars and credit cards is smart...paying off a house...not so much. Paying off a house early is just horrible financial management.
Man I love seeing you post. Reassures everyone that you still have the IQ of yogurt (my apologies to yogurt).
 

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DEEKAYPEE8569

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Debt free rocks, for sure. Been that way ourselves for the last two years. Credit cards have always been paid off monthly. Outside of those darned property taxes, homeowners/car insurances, term life policies, soaring gasoline prices, and routine monthly bills, things would be perfect.

But not owing anybody anything on home and transportation is just about perfect itself.

If I can just get my drainfield to clear itself up, that would keep about eight grand in the play around money account.........

You know that's not gonna happen. Right?
You might just have to bite the proverbial bullet and get a new one dug.
Or move.....
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
Wow...that's really too bad. Paying off a house is poor money management that is magnified by today's historically low interest rates.

Prof Money Wise and Dave Ramsey don't understand the basics of money management.

Paying off cars and credit cards is smart...paying off a house...not so much. Paying off a house early is just horrible financial management.

You were dropped on your head as child, weren't you?
 
:lol: I love it here.....


Guess I'm another person more stupider than yogurt. I paid off the house a few years ago, maximized my 401k, no other debts.

It was, and still is, a great feeling. Heading into retirement soon, and I have no worries. (none today...waiting to see what happens after sequestration...)

And as far as needing a tax shelter, I barely saw a difference in my year end taxes before and after the mortgage and property tax deductions. Still get a decent chunk back every year.

And yes, I opt to get a chunk back at the end of the year rather than strive for a $0 balance at the end of the year.
 

Rommey

Well-Known Member
I'd be more than happy to send you some of my bills to pay. Wouldn't want you to get out of practice...
I didn't mention it, but I have a wife so I'm guessing she will give me some practice every once in a while...:whistle:

Build up a 6 months of expenses Emergency Fund if you don't already have it. This is money to be put away somewhere ultra-safe and don't even think about it as a source of cash.
Already have that basically set up and funded, just want to beef it up a bit to feel more comfortable.

How long is that :yahoo: feeling gonna last though? March is on its way.
Or were you able to get your monthly bills paid up through December?
Yeah, it lasted until I got home tonight and checked the mail and found the Washington Gas bill....
I'm not sure I want to prepay a year to all the utilities as that's not the best use of the money.
 

Rommey

Well-Known Member
Wow...that's really too bad. Paying off a house is poor money management that is magnified by today's historically low interest rates.

Prof Money Wise and Dave Ramsey don't understand the basics of money management.

Paying off cars and credit cards is smart...paying off a house...not so much. Paying off a house early is just horrible financial management.
You ate a lot of lead paint as a kid, didn't you?

How do you think I was able to pay off the credit cards? Here's a hint...the money that WAS going to the mortgage was now available to use in other areas. How's that for an opportunity cost? I would still be paying off stuff if I also had a mortgage, so that would have been a MISSED opportunity.

I'd rather be not "smart" with $12K in my bank account that be "smart" with the mortgage company having $12K of my former money...but that's just me.

So I'm able to pay myself instead of a bank. If that makes me stupid, then I'm stupid.
 

mamatutu

mama to two
You ate a lot of lead paint as a kid, didn't you?

How do you think I was able to pay off the credit cards? Here's a hint...the money that WAS going to the mortgage was now available to use in other areas. How's that for an opportunity cost? I would still be paying off stuff if I also had a mortgage, so that would have been a MISSED opportunity.

I'd rather be not "smart" with $12K in my bank account that be "smart" with the mortgage company having $12K of my former money...but that's just me.

So I'm able to pay myself instead of a bank. If that makes me stupid, then I'm stupid.

I would rather be called stupid by someone who is stupid because that means I am not stupid. :lol: Oh, and don't fret over your gas bill; we all know life very well; there is always something.
 
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ItalianScallion

Harley Rider
How do you think I was able to pay off the credit cards? Here's a hint...the money that WAS going to the mortgage was now available to use in other areas. How's that for an opportunity cost? I would still be paying off stuff if I also had a mortgage, so that would have been a MISSED opportunity.
I'd rather be not "smart" with $12K in my bank account that be "smart" with the mortgage company having $12K of my former money...but that's just me.
TJo is a liberal so don't expcet her to know anything about money management.

All I had when I retired was a house payment and I paid that off in 2007. I was paying $13,000 each year to the mortgage company and getting only about $3,500 back at tax time. Now I pay nothing to the mortgage company and I still get good money back from Uncle Barack.

The one thing that irks me though is my insurance rates. They say they can't give me the lowest rate because I don't have any credit history. IOW; I have no loans or credit cards for them to observe my payment history. It's not a signifigant amount though.

I asked the lady at Progressive (not Flo) if, in 12 years, I've ever been late on my insurance payment. She said not once so I told her: there you go! Use that as my credit history...she laughed but couldn't change the rate. :shrug:
 

abcxyz

New Member
Get a credit card, charge it up to 30% of limit every month and pay it off. Find a card that compounds monthly vs daily. Even if you end up paying some interest, it won't equal how much you are saving on better insurance premiums and other credit calculated bills.
 
TJo is a liberal so don't expcet her to know anything about money management.

All I had when I retired was a house payment and I paid that off in 2007. I was paying $13,000 each year to the mortgage company and getting only about $3,500 back at tax time. Now I pay nothing to the mortgage company and I still get good money back from Uncle Barack.

The one thing that irks me though is my insurance rates. They say they can't give me the lowest rate because I don't have any credit history. IOW; I have no loans or credit cards for them to observe my payment history. It's not a signifigant amount though.

I asked the lady at Progressive (not Flo) if, in 12 years, I've ever been late on my insurance payment. She said not once so I told her: there you go! Use that as my credit history...she laughed but couldn't change the rate. :shrug:

Shop your coverage. My Agent is aware I have no debt, live within my means, have an emegency fund, pay cash when I buy things, have a budget, have a "worth" (no such thing as net) and if my rates go up he will address it up his chain then. It is but one item looked at and State Farm realizes someone who can write a check for things is not to be punished because they don't have a FICO score/multiple lines of credit.

You can have $1M in the bank and not have a FICO score and a computer will deem you more of an insurance risk than someone who has debt.

Probably a good indicator of the culture that needs to change at home, in industry and with our leaders.

For grins I did ask my agent what the cost impact could be. He said less than $5 per month. For that price I will gladly keep my debt-free mindset and lifestyle if it became a last resort.

I've also found I prefer having an Agent between me and the company providing me the product over an 800 number.
 
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Vince

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Wow...that's really too bad. Paying off a house is poor money management that is magnified by today's historically low interest rates.

Prof Money Wise and Dave Ramsey don't understand the basics of money management.

Paying off cars and credit cards is smart...paying off a house...not so much. Paying off a house early is just horrible financial management.
So I guess me putting all that money in the bank from a house payment I'm no longer paying is a bad thing and I would have made more claiming the interest on my taxes. :killingme
 

ItalianScallion

Harley Rider
For grins I did ask my agent what the cost impact could be. He said less than $5 per month. For that price I will gladly keep my debt-free mindset and lifestyle if it became a last resort.
She told me the difference was @ $10 per year so I didn't pursue it. Now if I thought I could get out of paying that uninsured drivers premium, I'd pursue that.
 
C

czygvtwkr

Guest
Sorry to hear you don't have a home loan interest deduction for your income taxes.

You need to find a tax shelter

For every dollar it saves you on taxes you have to spend three on interest, lots of people don't realize that. Hope you do.
 
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