Declawing cats.

[TurboK9]

I'm assuming you are referring to "pyo" as in pyometra? Well, that's ONE thing and not even the most common.

I'm 'that stupid' remember? Wasn't aware that a typo would be my deth knell.

The point should be, does one take responsible care of their animals or not?

IMHO,

If your dogs / cats are running loose outside, no.

If you have frequent escapes, no.

If you don't have regular vet/med care done, no.

If they have parasites that are preventable through regular care, no.

Declawing a cat doesn't even come close the above.

I mean come on. What do you think kills more cats? Cars and dogs when they are loose outside, or declawing surgery when they are inside? That SHOULD be the point. Of course, when one shouts and yells about how cruel and painful things are that they themselves have no need for or would personally never do, it sure makes one feel good I guess. Perhaps they could have planned better on furniture and doors. Well boo hoo. Hindsight is 20/20. We see people on here giving pets away for less reasons. At least they want to keep theirs.

 

[cattitude]

I'm 'that stupid' remember?

There again..I did not say that.

Ya'll enjoy yourselves.

 

[TurboK9]

There again..I did not say that.

Ya'll enjoy yourselves.

"I thought you were smarter than this."

Fine, I shouldn't have used the quotes.

The implication is the same.

:shrug:

 

[TurboK9]

That's not at all why I spay and neuter my animals. And there's a difference in putting an animal through surgery for a health reason versus just cosmetic reasons.

Not that I disagree, but curious which health issue you refer to.

 

[libertytyranny]

Not that I disagree, but curious which health issue you refer to.

Spayed and neutered pets live longer..it prevents several types of fairly common cancers. Testicular cancer is the leading cancer in intact males :shrug:

 

[pixiegirl]

Not that I disagree, but curious which health issue you refer to.

If you spay a dog before the first heat I know you virtually eliminate the risk of breast cancer. Males can't get testicular cancer if they don't have nuts.

I'm not opposed to declawing cats if they're inside pets. The declaws today are not what they were 20 years ago. Hell, 10 years ago they weren't what they were 20 years ago. I've seen hundreds of them done with a lazer and the cats are up and walking as soon as they wake up. No bleeding or pain meds either.

 

[TurboK9]

If you spay a dog before the first heat I know you virtually eliminate the risk of breast cancer. Males can't get testicular cancer if they don't have nuts.

I'm not opposed to declawing cats if they're inside pets. The declaws today are not what they were 20 years ago. Hell, 10 years ago they weren't what they were 20 years ago. I've seen hundreds of them done with a lazer and the cats are up and walking as soon as they wake up. No bleeding or pain meds either.

I was specifically asking cowgirl, I know there are cancer issues, etc I was curious what she was specifically concerned about.



NEVER spay / neuter before one year. Doing so can drastically increase the risk of bone cancer, particularly in females. See that? an added risk to spaying.

OK, honestly? Here's my whole issue with THAT topic... LOL. First, both my current dogs are "fixed". However, if I ever choose NOT to "fix", does that make me an irresponsible owner?

Consider that. We berate people who do not spay / nueter... why? If I have an intact male or female, that by no means means they will contribute to unwanted pups. No dog of mine would have the opportunity, spayed / neutered or not.

As far as health goes, well, that's a bit of give / take. 40+ years ago, dogs lived longer. It's documented. Mainly due to diet, pre-kibble, pre-corn based crap, pre- breeding by ruler and protracter. There was also NO push for spaying and neutering, male dogs were not having cancerous testicles exploding in the street, females were not in constant phantom pregnancy, etc.

So what's the deal? How much is propoganda and how much it truth? There of course is an element of truth to the health issues, but how about hard numbers? Does anyone really know?

I ask, because next time you do a spay to a pet, read the consent form. I mean, REALLY read it. Death is not as uncommon during spaying as some may think.

I'd be curious to see hard statistics weighing both 'sides'.

As I said, I DO spay / neuter. Gotta be an example for the unwashed masses and all but something to think about...

 

[Cowgirl]

I was specifically asking cowgirl, I know there are cancer issues, etc I was curious what she was specifically concerned about.



NEVER spay / neuter before one year. Doing so can drastically increase the risk of bone cancer, particularly in females. See that? an added risk to spaying.

I was talking about increased risk for cancers. And my Scooter who is going on 15 years was neutered incredibly early. SMAWL neutered him at ~7 weeks right before I adopted him at 8 weeks. He (knock on wood) hasn't had any issues.

 

[Cowgirl]

As far as health goes, well, that's a bit of give / take. 40+ years ago, dogs lived longer. It's documented. Mainly due to diet, pre-kibble, pre-corn based crap, pre- breeding by ruler and protracter.

I'd be curious to read more about dogs living longer 40+ years ago. Can you provide a link or something?

 

[TurboK9]

I'd be curious to read more about dogs living longer 40+ years ago. Can you provide a link or something?

I'll look around, see if there is anything hard out there. Otherwise, a lot of literary references are out there, explorers and other key peoles that have been written about that had dogs... you can get a pretty good idea how long the pet lived even if they don't specify.

I know this doesn't really count, but as a matter of trivia, the record of longevity amongst dogs belongs to Adjutant, a black Labrador. It lived 37 years and 3 months (August 1936 - November 1973) and belonged to James Hawkes of Lincolnshire (England).

 

[TurboK9]

I was talking about increased risk for cancers. And my Scooter who is going on 15 years was neutered incredibly early. SMAWL neutered him at ~7 weeks right before I adopted him at 8 weeks. He (knock on wood) hasn't had any issues.

Oh geeze why'd they do that? 7 weeks? Seriously?

 

[Cowgirl]

Oh geeze why'd they do that? 7 weeks? Seriously?

:shrug: My middle dog was neutered early, at around 11 weeks I think. Most groups spay/neuter before they adopt out. Our puppy isn't neutered yet, but will be relatively soon.

 

[TurboK9]

:shrug: My middle dog was neutered early, at around 11 weeks I think. Most groups spay/neuter before they adopt out. Our puppy isn't neutered yet, but will be relatively soon.

Neutersol.

Well, there's still studying to be done regarding the benefit / risk of early neutering... For me, it has more to do with hormones and behavior. I WANT a bit of natural aggression and strong natural drives. Neutering too early can really whack that up, I suppose for most people they actually seek that... But for me, a dog without strong defense drive just isn't any fun.

 

[ICit]

:shrug: My middle dog was neutered early, at around 11 weeks I think. Most groups spay/neuter before they adopt out. Our puppy isn't neutered yet, but will be relatively soon.

I didnt do my one GSD till 9 months, my female till she was over a year (but that a whole other story LOL) she was pexied at the same time, my BH was done AS soon as I got him due to my Female was not spayed yet..so he was done at 4 1/2 months ... I do wish I had waited longer if I could have... maybe he would have found some smarts LOL, and my other female BH was spayed at 9 months because I wanted her pexied and her growth plates had to be closed or close to closing so we knew she was as big as she was getting to pexi her without doing damage to her.

 

[bcp]

If you spay a dog before the first heat I know you virtually eliminate the risk of breast cancer. Males can't get testicular cancer if they don't have nuts.

I'm not opposed to declawing cats if they're inside pets. The declaws today are not what they were 20 years ago. Hell, 10 years ago they weren't what they were 20 years ago. I've seen hundreds of them done with a lazer and the cats are up and walking as soon as they wake up. No bleeding or pain meds either.

I agree with the front claws, but Im not real sure about the backs, thats why I asked on this thread.
Im getting the nailes clipped as short as they can be clipped and see if that solves the problem.
My first choice is not to do the de claw on the back.

 

[TurboK9]

I agree with the front claws, but Im not real sure about the backs, thats why I asked on this thread.
Im getting the nailes clipped as short as they can be clipped and see if that solves the problem.
My first choice is not to do the de claw on the back.

Well, I do know that a cat with back claws can still climb pretty well, without, well, they are SOL. But since they are indoor cats... :shrug: