Disney Fires Americans Hires H1B Visa Holders
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Yes , yes they are .
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Hodr
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I expect to see Disney get sued. It's not illegal to outsource any and all work (and this isn't outsourcing), but it is illegal to fire a worker then hire an H1-B to do the same job. The point of the program is to bring in skilled labor to fill a position that absolutely cannot be filled locally.
Now, when they do this by 1s and 2s, arguments can be made that the new employees are doing a different job than the old ones (we fired a RedHat Linux Sysadmin, we hired a SUSE Linux Sysadmin, etc). When you replace an entire department, but that department is still responsible for the same work, you can't make this excuse as easily.
Now, when they do this by 1s and 2s, arguments can be made that the new employees are doing a different job than the old ones (we fired a RedHat Linux Sysadmin, we hired a SUSE Linux Sysadmin, etc). When you replace an entire department, but that department is still responsible for the same work, you can't make this excuse as easily.
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California has been doing the same thing ...
... there is that big of a difference between RH and SUSE ?
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Hodr
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No, there is very little difference in the product (one is the FOSS version of the other). There is even less difference in the skillset required to administrate one vs the other.
That was my point; for an individual job they can get away with replacing someone by pretending the new job is different. But to do that with an entire department would be a harder sell.
Lurk
Happy Creepy Ass Cracka
What if Disney is planning on moving its entire IT department to Mumbai? Instead of Microsoft technicians calling to report my computer is planting malware in their servers, we'll get Punjab calling to offer a breakfast deal if I book a vaca for 2017 now and begin the exhorbitant payments now.
Gotcha .... an analogy
I was a little
there ain't that much dif between Linux Distros ......
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Hodr
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They have every right to do that. If they do the math and find out that the additional headaches of working with multiple cultures, languages, differing time zones, and of course the PR hit still works to their advantage, then I expect they would.
But that is different than lying to the government in order to import indentured labor from other countries, displacing local workers and artificially depressing their wages by flooding the market with excess talent. And it's not even always about money as most H1-Bs get paid the "prevailing wage" (the bottom end of it). The problem is that they have virtually no job mobility, so they are tied to that employer, and the employers like to take advantage of that (extreme hours, poor working conditions, etc).
People tend to look the other way because they have been spoon fed by the media that "high tech jobs are in demand!", but the fact is that we have plenty of IT workers, they are just used to getting paid above the poverty level.
If you think Zuckerberg, Gates, and the rest are pushing learning "to code" into grade school because we don't have enough software engineers, you need to look a bit closer. They are intended to further flood the market to decrease their own costs. When half the population can develop software (because the tools have made it progressively easier, and everyone is now learning it in school) they will no longer need to pay high order salaries for workers.
It's not like we will see software developers hanging out in front of Best Buy, like migrant workers in front of Home Depot; but the plan is to commoditize those workers.
MMDad
Lem Putt
It's funny how these theoretical libertarians/conservatives/capitalists see a company making a smart business move and jump all over "there oughta be a law!" This is a problem how? What Disney is doing is completely a business decision and is driven by the labor market. The only "problem" here is the mindset that we need more government involvement in order to fix a problem that government created.
Go back to sleep you faux conservatives.
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Hodr
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You are confused. If Disney chose to outsource, to move their IT services to another country for cheaper labor that would be a business decision (possibly a smart one, depending upon circumstances).
Lying to the government and abusing a program to import non-citizens to this country in order to do the work of someone already employed is not a case of "their aught to be a law", it's a case of "there is a law, and they're breaking it".
MMDad
Lem Putt
That is one take but the facts don't support it. They got rid of their own people and brought in a contractor. Nothing wrong or illegal with that.
Hijinx
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For every law there is a lawyer finding a way around it.
food for thought
however .... when choosing a vacation it will be, who outsources JOBS and who keeps them in country
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/Silicon-Valleys-Body-Shop-Secret-280567322.html
Interesting to see the;
Above Top Secret
a staff member @ Laura Ingram post in the 'Need to Know' section a link to the Computer World Article ...
and a Lively Debate on Reddit
all about the same topic .... big business tossing American Workers for IT Outsourcing - that brings in People from India - either with H1B's or L-1B's