Dixie Chicks are at it AGAIN

[Too Hot 4u]

What's your point, he IS a dumb ####.... almost as dumb as the people who continue to make excuses for his inabilities.

Really? And what is your excuse? I love how so many people cut him down and think they can do a better job when in fact they are totla morons themselves.

 

[Coventry17]

Yep. And he's so dumb he's managed to mastermind conspiracy after conspiracy while leaving no evidence behind. Everything from the WTC bombings to the whole conspiracy to thwart Dan Rather.

I'm amused at the people who continually charge that he is both stupid, and at the same time managed to cleverly manipulate events while leaving not a trace behind.

I've never met him - I know people who have. I know a guy who's talked with him at length and knew him before he was even in politics. One thing he is NOT is articulate, and neither am I, at least not in person. The Post recently gave a list of the books he's read in the last two months - all 27 of them. I haven't read that much in the past two YEARS.

He may not be articulate, but if he's dumb, I'm brain dead.

If he's got time to read 27 books in two months, he's not spending enough time running the country. Of course, when you've already taken more vacation time than any president in history and you STILL have two years left in office, you have to do something with your free time.

You brought up conspiracies, I didn't. I don't hold any belief of the 9/11 events being a presidential conspiracy at all. I do think the reaction to 9/11 was mishandled, and I do believe that Bush has tried to push his own political and military agenda using 9/11 as an excuse.

He was "C" student in college who graduated by the skin of his teeth. That's neither an insult nor a conspiracy theory. It's a fact. He only got in because his dad was a legacy; GWB did not have the academic prowess to make it on his own. Again, that's documented. Listen to the man try to speak or listen to him in a situation that is not scripted and he has to think on his feet. It's achingly hard to watch. He is easily the least intelligent man to hold the office since U.S. Grant almost a century and a half ago.

 

[Coventry17]

Really? And what is your excuse? I love how so many people cut him down and think they can do a better job when in fact they are totla morons themselves.

How do spell 'total' again?

I'm a moron because you disagree with me? That's the typical Southern MD redneck agenda. Too shortsighted to see past his or her own nose. I'm sorry, YOU must be the one with the college degree and not ME. Oh wait, nope, I see my diploma there on the wall. Oh, by the way, BA in History with a minor in Geopolitical science.... and I graduated with a 3.2 GPA.... unlike Bush's 2.1.

 

[SamSpade]

If he's got time to read 27 books in two months, he's not spending enough time running the country.

Oh give me a break. Most people who dismiss this usually say something like he only looked at the pictures. Clinton was a voracious reader, whose reading would have eclipsed this number - yet Democrats laud his presidency.

You are reaching, to find fault.

Of course, when you've already taken more vacation time than any president in history and you STILL have two years left in office, you have to do something with your free time.

This is a distortion of the famous myth regarding Bush prior to 9/11. And it's simply not true. In fact, it's widely mentioned that the month before the attack, Bush was "vacationing" at his ranch in Texas - but even a glance at his agenda for the first two weeks shows what anyone who isn't purposefully prejudiced against him knows that like most Presidents, "vacations" are largely working ones:

August 1, 2001: Nominated six US Attorneys, two judges for affirmation by Congress. Placed phone calls to PM Blair and Ahern to discuss matters between Britain and Northern Ireland. President announces an agreement on the Patients Bill of Rights President addresses National Urban League Conference
August 2, 2001: President meets with House and Senate education leaders.
August 3, 2001: Placed six more nominations for US Attorneys. President speaks to press at meeting to discuss his first six months in office and the agenda for the future. President attends a ceremony in East Room honoring Lance Armstrong.
August 4, 2001: President.s Radio Address
August 7, 2001: Press conference in Waco, TX with pool of reporters.
August 8, 2001: President helps build a home with Habitat For Humanity, then addresses the group on faith-based and community initiatives.
August 9, 2001: Addressed the nation on stem-cell research.
August 10, 2001: Announces nomination of two US Ambassadors. August 11, 2001: President.s Radio Address
August 13, 2001: Presidential Ceremony to sign the Agriculture Supplemental Bill. President holds two press conferences with traveling White House pool.

See, now maybe on your vacations you sit around the pool or beach and sunbathe. Typically, Presidents don't get to do a lot of that.

The President was in Texas from August 7-13 and 21-25. The rest of the month was spent traveling to New Mexico, Colorado, Wisconsin, Missouri and then back to Washington at the end of the month. A review of the White House news archive for August 2001 shows this month to be anything but a .vacation.

You brought up conspiracies

Not quite. I mentioned them to illustrate how people will regard him as an "idiot" but in the same breath ascribe brilliant conspiracies to him. Obviously, not everyone does this, but many do, and that's absurdly inconsistent.

He was "C" student in college who graduated by the skin of his teeth.

(Raising hand) Me too. Doesn't make me an idiot. Graduated at the top of my class in high school. IQ of 155. 1400 SAT's. Just did bad in school. Of course, that was also 25 years ago, and it doesn't describe the fact that I've done well in all classes since then, including graduate school.

That's neither an insult nor a conspiracy theory. It's a fact. He only got in because his dad was a legacy; GWB did not have the academic prowess to make it on his own.

And he ran against two men who similarly were men born to wealth and were educated in expensive private schools. The presumably brilliant Al Gore also got mediocre grades at Harvard and managed to flunk out of divinity school and law school.

Again, that's documented. Listen to the man try to speak or listen to him in a situation that is not scripted and he has to think on his feet. It's achingly hard to watch.

Ditto for Kerry and Gore. Most of the time on air, they've either been very well coached or have learned how to divert the topic to something marginally relevant whereupon they go on at length. Skewer them and keep them on topic - as Russert has actually done on his show - and they usually come back with "I'll have to get back with you on that one". They're not particularly bright either.

He is easily the least intelligent man to hold the office since U.S. Grant almost a century and a half ago.

And probably some of the most intelligent Presidents have been horrendous. I think Jimmy Carter might have been the most intelligent President of the last century, and his legacy isn't one to boast about.

I don't agree that he's low in intelligence. He's unskilled as a politician. Contrast him to someone like Tony Blair, who can skillfully stand in front of a hostile Parliament and stand them all down - that takes nerve, wit and skill, but not "intelligence". I can write intelligently on the forums, but I can't put two words together intelligently in person, and I'd never run for office based on my ability to speak in public. If I only had to *write* or read speeches I'd prepared myself, I might. I would hate to live in an environment where hostile journalists could parse my every word to make me look as stupid as possible.

 

[Pete]

5 bucks says his rebuttal contains some reference to "chimp".

 

[ylexot]

And probably some of the most intelligent Presidents have been horrendous. I think Jimmy Carter might have been the most intelligent President of the last century, and his legacy isn't one to boast about.

An interesting observation. I wonder if Presidents with high intelligence do worse because they are more willing to make decisions themselves instead of trusting advisors that have greater knowledge in their specialized areas. Just a hypothesis.

I don't agree that he's low in intelligence. He's unskilled as a politician. Contrast him to someone like Tony Blair, who can skillfully stand in front of a hostile Parliament and stand them all down - that takes nerve, wit and skill, but not "intelligence". I can write intelligently on the forums, but I can't put two words together intelligently in person, and I'd never run for office based on my ability to speak in public. If I only had to *write* or read speeches I'd prepared myself, I might. I would hate to live in an environment where hostile journalists could parse my every word to make me look as stupid as possible.

 

[Too Hot 4u]

How do spell 'total' again?

I'm a moron because you disagree with me? That's the typical Southern MD redneck agenda. Too shortsighted to see past his or her own nose. I'm sorry, YOU must be the one with the college degree and not ME. Oh wait, nope, I see my diploma there on the wall. Oh, by the way, BA in History with a minor in Geopolitical science.... and I graduated with a 3.2 GPA.... unlike Bush's 2.1.

Ohhh I made a typo...big deal...and no I did not call you a moron. You took that upon yourself.

And as far as degrees I do have two. Does that mean I cannot have a typo? Do you honestly think you are the only one in here with a degree? Most have several. Big deal. There are many people that are book smart that does not have a bit of common sense. A 3.2 is nice but is it extraordinary? Not really. Bush had a lower GPA, big deal there he is and here you are.

 

[ylexot]

A 3.2 is nice but is it extraordinary? Not really.

...especially when you take the major into account

 

[Too Hot 4u]

...especially when you take the major into account

I should not be laughing though.... I only have a Bachelor in Science Conservation and Ecology and a specialized Associate Degree in Fashion Design and Technology, so no rocket science there....

 

[Pete]

What happened to Pete's post???

crap I am going to get banned again

 

[Too Hot 4u]

Banned for what??? I don't see anything.

 

[Pete]

Banned for what??? I don't see anything.

 

[Otter]

We are in unsure times amid a controversial war. Yet the American people are not swayed by the universities, the major networks, the New York Times, Hollywood, the major foundations, and NPR. All these bastions of doctrinaire liberal thinking have done their best to convince America that George W. Bush, captive to right-wing nuts and Christian fanatics, is leading the country into an abyss. In fact, a close look at a map of red/blue counties nationwide suggests that the Democrats are in deepening trouble.

Surfing around, I ran across this, it's 18 months old but just as true now. I think Vrai said earlier how much better off the country would be with a strong two party system yet if the democrats continue to put their fringe element in positions of power, they will never (IMO) be strong again. Good stuff.

 

[Too Hot 4u]

 

[ylexot]

I should not be laughing though.... I only have a Bachelor in Science Conservation and Ecology and a specialized Associate Degree in Fashion Design and Technology, so no rocket science there....

Mine is rocket science (aerospace engineering)...and I got a 3.5

 

[Too Hot 4u]

Mine is rocket science (aerospace engineering)...and I got a 3.5

DAMN, I never thought I would talk to a Rocket Scientist, cool beans!