Do Jews recognize a coming messiah?

[Zguy28]

Can't wait for prayer meeting tonight......

Where do you go?

 

[toppick08]

Where do you go?

St. Paul's UMC.

 

[Zguy28]

St. Paul's UMC.

Cool. I'll be down the street at LBC for the same thing tonight.

 

[toppick08]

Cool. I'll be down the street at LBC for the same thing tonight.

 

[ItalianScallion]

Yes, the Old Testament descriptions of Messiah are indeed very clear about His appearance and of how to recognize Him. However, the OT prophecies span two distinct periods of activity for Messiah while yet both pointing to the same Saviour of Israel. This is why Yeshua is called the "Stumblingstone"

Yep! Notice how he ignored the truth that Jesus was from David's line and greater than David at the same time? I wish I had a dollar for every time I explained that one to people...
It just proves, again, that spiritual blindness (the veil of 2 Corinthians 3) is a reality. Those videos that Zguy posted easily show the Rabbi's inability to understand the teachings of Scripture. He used 1 Samuel 15, to show that God is not a man, to discount the Deity of Christ and to say that it is blasphemy to even think it! The same thing the Jews crucified Jesus for. Think of how many other verses he just denied in the Scriptures (OT & NT). I wish Strobel would have asked the Rabbi why, then, did Jesus argue soo much against the Jews if He wasn't the Messiah and why is the majority of the OT about reaching the stubborn Jews, but he didn't...

As stated, Orthodox leaders wanted to see this happen during the days of Yeshua's claim to be Moshiach. Since swords were not beaten into plowshares and the wolf and lamb did not cozy up to each other it gave them reason to declare Yeshua a fraud and a blasphemer for claiming to be the Son of God.
The conclusion, however, is that this was all within God's Plan in order to offer Salvation for the whole world and not for Israel only. Orthodox zealousness perceived that only the religious leaders had a handle on whom to recognize, accept and declare as their Moshiach. He was right there in front of them all along.

Just like Nucklesack who is arguing himself into destruction because he isn't able to see the truth. He isn't able because he hasn't allowed God to open his eyes to the truth. He wants is his way and not God's way.

I thought these videos were interesting

Really good Stuff! I' always want to hear it from practicing Jews.
Strobel was an atheist who tried to objectively disprove that Jesus is the Messiah and, when he exhausted all his resources, he had no choice but to believe in Him. Thanks!

 

[Starman3000m]

I thought these videos were interesting:

Great debate but the Rabbi remains unconvinced as do many throughout the world today.

Note: Toward the end of part 2, the Rabbi states

" We Jews believe that man is judged by his actions - if you live a righteous life then God is going to reward you..."

OOOPS! What about the blood sacrifices, burnt offerings and intercesion that the Jewish High Priests had to do on behalf of the sins of the Children of Israel? Old Testament procedure calls for Blood Atonement because God knows that no man can live a "righteous life". The only acceptable Atonement unto God had to be pure and unblemished. In the case of Yeshua, sinless! This is what makes him our High Priest and Mediator.

As of now, no individual, Jew or Gentile, can claim that he/she is living a righteous life for if anyone has transgressed one Law, it is the same as transgressing the whole law; the punishment for that is death. If the Rabbi in the video interview really believes that he is living a righteous life then God have mercy on his soul.

That is the reason Orthodox Jews need to rebuild the Third Temple of God - so that they can reinstate blood sacrifices once again as an atonement for the unrighteous and all the sins of the people. Until then, Orthodox Jews have no mediator!

 

[Beta84]

Welcome back my friend! We've missed you.
Yes, the Jews were (still are) looking for a fighting, victorious messiah and that's why they denied Jesus - the humble, meek, suffering & dying Messiah. I'm curious (since you're more versed in Judaism than I) what their source of misinterpreted writings is/are since the OT is clear as to who, what, when & where the Messiah would be? Thanks!

It's funny you are so certain the Jews are the ones who misinterpreted everything, considering most people who saw the "miracles" of Jesus didn't believe in him as the son of God or the Messiah or any of that. Christianity was developed from a very small section of people that "witnessed" everything and it grew only through their stories and then through the conversion of the Roman empire. If the Roman empire had converted to Judaism you'd probably be a Jew saying that Christians are wrong since you're in such a feeble state of mind.

 

[Marie]

Shumley has heard the gospel presented to him this past year in a clear gospel presentation and rejected it, he also said he never broken the 10 commandments.

Interesting in this presentation he said the Jews believe that God will judge them on there good and there bad. The Old Testament says were all wicked without even discussing original sin.
Pro 20:6 Most men will proclaim every one his own goodness: but a faithful man who can find?<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
Psa 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. <o></o>
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?
<o><DIR>Psa 5:4 For you are not a God who delights in wickedness; evil may not dwell with you.
Psa 5:5 The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers.
Psa 5:6 You destroy those who speak lies; the LORD abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.
Gen 6:5 The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Deu 9:27 Remember your servants, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Do not regard the stubbornness of this people, or their wickedness or their sin,
1Ki 1:52 And Solomon said, "If he will show himself a worthy man, not one of his hairs shall fall to the earth, but if wickedness is found in him, he shall die."
Job 35:8 Your wickedness concerns a man like yourself, and your righteousness a son of man.
Isa 59:3 For your hands are defiled with blood and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies; your tongue mutters wickedness.
Isaiah 64:6, "But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousness are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away."

Verses on the depravity of man
Genesis 8:21 ; Genesis 6:5-7 Genesis 6:11-13 ; 8:21 ; Deuteronomy 32:10 ; 2 Chronicles 6:36 ; Job 4:17-19 ; Job 9:2 Job 9:3 Job 9:20 Job 9:29 Job 9:30 ; 11:12 ; 14:4 ; 15:14-16 ; 25:4-6 ; Psalms 5:9 ; 14:1-3 ; 51:5 ; 53:1-3 ; 58:1-5 ; 94:11 ; 130:3 ; 143:2 ; Proverbs 10:20 ; Proverbs 20:6 Proverbs 20:9 ; 21:8 ; Ecclesiastes 7:20 Ecclesiastes 7:29 ; 8:11 ; 9:3 ; Isaiah 1:5 Isaiah 1:6 ; Isaiah 42:6 Isaiah 42:7 ; 43:8 ; 48:8 ; 51:1 ; 53:6 ; 64:6 ; Jeremiah 2:22 Jeremiah 2:29 ; 6:7 ; 13:23 ; 16:12 ; 17:9 ; Ezekiel 16:6 ; Ezekiel 36:25 Ezekiel 36:26 ; 37:1-3 ; Hosea 6:7 ; 14:9 ; Micah
</DIR></o>Bottom line their in a heap of trouble, as they have no payment for their sin. Even if they were still doing sacrifices, that was only a covering and not a payment for sin.
So if Shumley is right and God gives them what they deserve, without being deemed justified by Christ work on the cross. Then a just God would have to punish them!
Hells not only just its logical.

 

[ItalianScallion]

It's funny you are so certain the Jews are the ones who misinterpreted everything, considering most people who saw the "miracles" of Jesus didn't believe in him as the son of God or the Messiah or any of that. Christianity was developed from a very small section of people that "witnessed" everything and it grew only through their stories and then through the conversion of the Roman empire. If the Roman empire had converted to Judaism you'd probably be a Jew saying that Christians are wrong since you're in such a feeble state of mind.

 

[Marie]

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