Do the following The Holy Bible Versus contradict?/One Question

[ScorchTomato]

#1: The Holy Bible states stuff like "Consider it an honor to suffer for God The Father, His Son Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit and for doing what is righteous".

Yet in other scriptures it states that "Love does not love nor accept Evil", "Love does no Evil", and also Matthew 2: 13 states of God encouraging us all to flee from danger*.


* An example would be in marriage like if for example if/when you are/ever do get married and your wife/husband is beating on you although God does not like divorce he wants us all to flee danger so in this case divorce would be
acceptable to God and he would encourage it.




Where may I post videos YouTube or Google Video type video that preach Repentance yet involves religion please? Thank you.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

#1: The Holy Bible states stuff like "Consider it an honor to suffer for God The Father, His Son Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit and for doing what is righteous".

Yet in other scriptures it states that "Love does not love nor accept Evil", "Love does no Evil", and also Matthew 2: 13 states of God encouraging us all to flee from danger*.

Suffering in honor does not mean that we are accepting the evil at the same time.

Suffering is done to us by force and circumstance, but accepting evil is a matter of choice.

Where may I post videos YouTube or Google Video type video that preach Repentance yet involves religion please? Thank you.

Many posters put links to "YouTube" and other videos here all the time.

Just put the link and then anyone can click it to view it, or not.

 

[Giantone]

Suffering is done to us by force and circumstance, but accepting evil is a matter of choice.

Is that like the suffering you inflected on youe EX while she died of cancer or the suffering you put your child and ex thru when you got up and ran away leaving them all on their own?

 

[itsbob]

#1: The Holy Bible states stuff like "Consider it an honor to suffer for God The Father, His Son Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit and for doing what is righteous".

Yet in other scriptures it states that "Love does not love nor accept Evil", "Love does no Evil", and also Matthew 2: 13 states of God encouraging us all to flee from danger*.


* An example would be in marriage like if for example if/when you are/ever do get married and your wife/husband is beating on you although God does not like divorce he wants us all to flee danger so in this case divorce would be
acceptable to God and he would encourage it.




Where may I post videos YouTube or Google Video type video that preach Repentance yet involves religion please? Thank you.

the bible NEVER contradicts, you just have to have someone more knowledgeable and knows what the writer(s) were thinking to "interpret" it for you!

 

[ItalianScallion]

#1: The Holy Bible states stuff like "Consider it an honor to suffer for God The Father, His Son Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit and for doing what is righteous".
Yet in other scriptures it states that "Love does not love nor accept Evil", "Love does no Evil", and also Matthew 2: 13 states of God encouraging us all to flee from danger.

Hello ScorchTomato. You are comparing 3 entirely different verses here. Jesus makes it clear that Christians will suffer persecution for His name's sake. Thats what the first verse means. The second verse is talking about perfect love in (1 Corinthians 13) and the third one is about the birth of Jesus and the angel of God protecting Him from a jealous King Herod.

An example would be in marriage like if for example if/when you are/ever do get married and your wife/husband is beating on you although God does not like divorce he wants us all to flee danger so in this case divorce would be acceptable to God and he would encourage it.

This example is an entirely different subject. More in line with 1 Corinthians 7. God hates divorce and ANY way to reconciliation is what He wants but there are 2 Biblical reasons for divorce; Adultery & desertion. As far as spousal abuse goes, yes, God wants us to live in peace so a separation
(1 Corinthians 7v10,11) would be in order. The problem is that some people are simply idiots and marry idiots! Sometimes people put on "nice" fronts and then act differently after they're married. In either case a very thorough investigation of ones "spouse to be" should have been done. Stated another way, divorce is like surgery; it should be the very last option. The most important thing to do is get out of an abusive situation and get whatever help is available to you. Most people won't like to hear this next statement but it is Biblical. God looks upon intercourse as a marriage. Adultery (sex with someone you're not married to) can break the marriage bond. If the person abusing another "cheats" and has intercourse with someone he/she isn't married to, the bond is broken and the abusee is loosened from that relationship. That's their ticket out if they want it, but the abusee should never be the one to cheat to break the bond. Lots of words but they're in the Book.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Hello ScorchTomato. You are comparing 3 entirely different verses here. Jesus makes it clear that Christians will suffer persecution for His name's sake. Thats what the first verse means. The second verse is talking about perfect love in (1 Corinthians 13) and the third one is about the birth of Jesus and the angel of God protecting Him from a jealous King Herod.

This example is an entirely different subject. More in line with 1 Corinthians 7. God hates divorce and ANY way to reconciliation is what He wants but there are 2 Biblical reasons for divorce; Adultery & desertion. As far as spousal abuse goes, yes, God wants us to live in peace so a separation
(1 Corinthians 7v10,11) would be in order.

Well stated, but you should be aware that ScorchTomato is not really interested in the Truth of the Bible but in stirring up controversy as best as he/she can; that is why I respond to you and not them. Look out for the never ending circular non sequitur arguments. Been there and done that.

The problem is that some people are simply idiots and marry idiots! Sometimes people put on "nice" fronts and then act differently after they're married. In either case a very thorough investigation of ones "spouse to be" should have been done.....

Sex outside of marriage is a powerful "drug" if you will. The people involved get caught up in the emotion and biology. Good sex must equal a good marriage which is not true. Sex could be great between two people, and they could abhor many traits of each other, but ignore those traits because of sex. After marriage, the sex thing gradually looses its hold and the traits that bother are like fingernails on a blackboard; the irritation builds until there is no reconciliation. The person you marry should be the person you want to share everything with, every waking moment if you can, without sex. Then you have a basis for marriage.

 

[ItalianScallion]

Well thank you 2A, I'll keep that in mind. You obviously know him/her and I don't so that's why I responded. Anyhow, as I said earlier, His Word won't return empty. Hopefully someone got something out of the post.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Well thank you 2A, I'll keep that in mind. You obviously know him/her and I don't so that's why I responded. Anyhow, as I said earlier, His Word won't return empty. Hopefully someone got something out of the post.

You are going to accept and remember what 2A says in degrading another poster that you do not know,

and so what does that make you?

 

[2ndAmendment]

You are going to accept and remember what 2A says in degrading another poster that you do not know,

and so what does that make you?

The posts of ScorchTomato are here to be read. It is easy to see the circular non sequitur path of the posts. You can read them, too. I did not degrade ScorchTomato but made an observation about the posts.

It makes ItalianScallion informed about the circular non sequitur arguments that ScorchTomato makes just as he is aware of the heresy of many of your posts.

May God make the scales fall from your eyes.

 

[ItalianScallion]

You are going to accept and remember what 2A says in degrading another poster that you do not know,
and so what does that make you?

JPC, I call it a "heads up" not a degradation of him/her. I might still respond to the posts but for now I'll just keep what 2A said in my mind and see what happens.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

JPC, I call it a "heads up" not a degradation of him/her. I might still respond to the posts but for now I'll just keep what 2A said in my mind and see what happens.

He smears another poster and you acknowledge it,

and you two consider yourselves as the example of "christian bretheren" on this board.

It is a pitiful display of degrading the person that posted a question.

His comments were a question and 2A with your backing have degraded the questioner.

I hope everyone sees that I answered the question correctly in the second post of this thread.

See that you and your cheap bretheren came later.

 

[libby]

#1: The Holy Bible states stuff like "Consider it an honor to suffer for God The Father, His Son Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit and for doing what is righteous".

Yet in other scriptures it states that "Love does not love nor accept Evil", "Love does no Evil", and also Matthew 2: 13 states of God encouraging us all to flee from danger*.


* An example would be in marriage like if for example if/when you are/ever do get married and your wife/husband is beating on you although God does not like divorce he wants us all to flee danger so in this case divorce would be
acceptable to God and he would encourage it.




Where may I post videos YouTube or Google Video type video that preach Repentance yet involves religion please? Thank you.

I think this question is best answered after we know what you actually accept as True. Do you accept the Bible as Truth, or are you unsure and seeking Truth?

 

[2ndAmendment]

He smears another poster and you acknowledge it,

and you two consider yourselves as the example of "christian bretheren" on this board.

It is a pitiful display of degrading the person that posted a question.

His comments were a question and 2A with your backing have degraded the questioner.

I hope everyone sees that I answered the question correctly in the second post of this thread.

See that you and your cheap bretheren came later.

Have you taken the time to read what ScorchTomato posted before? If not, I suggest you do so before judging ItalianScallion and me.

And if there is degradation of ScorchTomato it is only in your mind.
Observations about what one posts is not degrading the person.

In the past, I have certainly degraded you but I am trying to only address what you post and your actions and not make any personal attacks. I know I called you a liar. More recently, I have pointed out that some of what you post are lies. There is a difference. A person's actions may be foolish, but I will not call that person a fool.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

I think this question is best answered after we know what you actually accept as True. Do you accept the Bible as Truth, or are you unsure and seeking Truth?

I would say that if some one is asking questions of the Bible then whether they consider it as true or not is totally irrelivant.

It would seem that the whole purpose of asking questions is to judge for oneself and not pre-judge.

The idea that every bit of the Bible must be true and correct just makes it an impossible book to understand.

We must not treat the Bible like an idol because it is only a book and the Bible is not God.

God might be perfect and infalible but the Bible is not God.

 

[2ndAmendment]

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The idea that every bit of the Bible must be true and correct just makes it an impossible book to understand.[/QUOTE]I don't find that to be true in my case. Do you think you may have scales over your eyes in certain areas?

We must not treat the Bible like an idol because it is only a book and the Bible is not God.

God might be perfect and infalible but the Bible is not God.

It is not an idol, but it is the Word of God and every word is divinely ordained. God would not allow His Book, the Bible, the guidance for man, to be imperfect. The Bible is the written communication between God and man.

 

[libby]

I would say that if some one is asking questions of the Bible then whether they consider it as true or not is totally irrelivant.

It would seem that the whole purpose of asking questions is to judge for oneself and not pre-judge.

The idea that every bit of the Bible must be true and correct just makes it an impossible book to understand.

We must not treat the Bible like an idol because it is only a book and the Bible is not God.

God might be perfect and infalible but the Bible is not God.

Well, it would change how one addresses the question IMO. The Bible is completely inerrant (infallible is not a charism that can be applied to an inanimate object), and it has layers and layers of Truth within it's pages.
A simple example that I recently learned, but that has had profound implications for me.
While Adam was in the garden and tempted by Satan, it seems he did not call on the Lord to give Him strength to resist the sin and do God's Will.
I"ll segue for a moment here...It seems there are some translations of the language that indicate a dragon was more likely what he saw vs. a little garter snake. In any case, there is some thought among theologians/scholars that perhaps Adam feared for his life in the garden, and that the serpent was quite threatening.
Now, if that is true, and we see his lack of faith in juxtaposition to Jesus' it is quite startling for me.
Jesus was in the garden, too. He knew His death was imminent and He was agonized to the point of sweating blood, yet His response was "Thy Will be done." Angels came and strengthened Him. We all know what happened next, He suffered and died and rose again.
Now I happen to think that if Adam had done God's Will instead of his own, he too might have died and earthly death. However, God would have vindicated him and he would have been raised from the dead and sin would have been conquered from the very beginning.
This is my long way of saying that there are literal truths in the Bible, as well as supernatual truths and truths that can only be understood in context of the story being told.
So, JPC, I guess my question to you, based on what you've written is, do you think that there are some things in the Bible that are not true?

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Well, it would change how one addresses the question IMO. The Bible is completely inerrant (infallible is not a charism that can be applied to an inanimate object), and it has layers and layers of Truth within it's pages.

So, JPC, I guess my question to you, based on what you've written is, do you think that there are some things in the Bible that are not true?

I love the Bible and I say the Bible is great in many ways,

but parts of the Bible are not what can be considered as "scripture" or as holy words or God's message because parts of the Bible are not true.

Like the Jonah in the fish for three days was more like a fairy tale. It would be like believing in the three pigs and a wolf that blew the house down. It is not really a lie but it is far from true.

Other places in the Bible have been changed and add-ons and now today we have the ability to see and to learn what was what and what is what.

In the Bible it actually tells us how the more mature persons / disciples are to learn and to study the scriptures by taking parts from one place or another here-a-little there-a-little and putting the pieces together like a puzzle see link HERE.

The Apostle Paul wrote about immature followers that drank only milk instead of the solid food of the scriptures and that appears to be what the Orthodox Christians do is stay immature and refuse to move on to the fuller truths of the Bible.

 

[libby]

Well now, I don't know. If God can rise from the dead, what's to say He can't keep a prophet in the belly of a whale/fish for three days. I'm not saying it is absolutely, literally true, but I wouldn't doubt it just because it seems so far out there.
We do have a virgin birth as well (prior to the advent of in vitro, that is) which seems like it would/could be no less a fairy tale, but I doubt anyone who is Christian doubts that. So while I agree that it could be metaphorical in it's entirety, I wouldn't say definitely one way or the other.

 

[JPC sr]

Batman

Well now, I don't know. If God can rise from the dead, what's to say He can't keep a prophet in the belly of a whale/fish for three days. I'm not saying it is absolutely, literally true, but I wouldn't doubt it just because it seems so far out there.
We do have a virgin birth as well (prior to the advent of in vitro, that is) which seems like it would/could be no less a fairy tale, but I doubt anyone who is Christian doubts that. So while I agree that it could be metaphorical in it's entirety, I wouldn't say definitely one way or the other.

I agree with this completely even though it does not agree entirely with my own religious beliefs,

and I must say that I am very impressed by your words.

You actually think for yourself about God and religion.

My compliments and keep it up.

But now the religious bullies will come after you too demanding that you believe as they command.

It is difficult to have any real religious discussions on this forum because those self righteous posters interfere with their bullying tactics.

We can see why Jesus Christ got so irritated at the hypocrites of His time because they are irritating here too.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I agree with this completely even though it does not agree entirely with my own religious beliefs,

and I must say that I am very impressed by your words.

You actually think for yourself about God and religion.

My compliments and keep it up.

But now the religious bullies will come after you too demanding that you believe as they command.

It is difficult to have any real religious discussions on this forum because those self righteous posters interfere with their bullying tactics.

We can see why Jesus Christ got so irritated at the hypocrites of His time because they are irritating here too.

Now why do you think that Jesus said we must come to Him like little children? Little children have pure faith; they believe. I think it was good staging for God to have a great fish swallow Jonah. Can you imagine the expression on the Ninevites' faces when the fish spit Jonah up on the sea shore? And I am sure Jonah was completely convinced he needed to proclaim God's word to Nineveh no matter what it was.

God is God. He does not have to operate by man's understanding nor do those He is controlling and taking care of. How about the book of Daniel? Three guys thrown into a fiery furnace and come out alive. Another, Daniel, thrown in with a bunch of hungry lions and comes out alive. Yep. That is my God. The One that created all things and can do anything even if some men find it hard to believe in their own small realm of human wisdom.

My God is able to do anything; far more than I can even imagine. I'll believe the Bible.

JPC, I trust that one of these days the scales will fall from your eyes.