Dog Walking

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
I've watched enough episodes of The Dog Whisperer to get the basic idea that just like walking is recognized as basically good exercise, walking your dog is basically good simple training for your dog.

I've finally come to set up some kind of routine for dog walking that fits with my schedule. It seems strange sometimes to me that I spend time with them, bring them with me on most yard work and errands, and they have all the time in the world to do their business in our big back yard - but the biggest purpose in walking them has little to do with them finding a place to eliminate or spend time with me. So far, the major benefit has been to teach them to obey me, bond with me and follow my lead. I'm hoping a major benefit also will be to expose them to other people and things, because outside of our friends that they know, they tend to jump, bark, growl or otherwise act up when they see something new or meet someone they're unfamiliar with. I can only think this is because they spend most of their days in our back yard with only each other. I have to hope that the more often they see other dogs, the less likely they will want to attack them. I'm also trying to teach them to halt when they see a car, because at the moment, they have ZERO fear of them.

And the two of them couldn't be more different. So far, I walk them separately, since I haven't found that they can be controlled at the same time. One is a bit of a dragger, and the other a lagger - and they cavort and play too much together. I'm surprised at how much Jingle, the female, is being a good dog while walking. Most walks, she stays right at heel position, stops when I stop, and walks patiently next to me. Last night she got all unwound by a neighbor dog barking at her. I could tell from the sound of the bark that this dog was probably half of Jingle's size, but she would have none of it. The rest of the walk, the "good dog" went away. Jangle is another matter - he's now almost 70 pounds and much bigger than his sister. Were he much bigger, and I've have a hell of a time controlling him. He drags almost all the time.

I'm hoping someone will have some helpful advice with the dragging bit. Right now, he pulls so much it's hard to signal to him with a tug that he needs to calm down. There's no chance he will get away - I am much stronger than he is. But I don't know how to convince him other than voice commands and tugs that he needs to stop pulling.

I think it would be great to be able to walk them both at the same time, but until I can calm HIM down, there's little likelihood this will work. Anyone have ideas? Someone who walks more than one dog at a time?
 

cattitude

My Sweetest Boy
I thought you took them to obedience?

You should have been working on leash walk since they were small. The halti or gentle leader is a great collar and works well. I think I mentioned it to you a while ago.

Take them out separately for about 15-20 minutes EVERY day and work with them. Have the leash loose. Use treats in your left hand and with the leash in the right hand and "lure" the dog along. In a very happy, happy voice..."come on Jingle..hey! where ya going..stay with me.." You almost make your self dizzy...turn often and make a game of it. You will be surprised at how quickly they catch on. You should also be working on sits, waits and stays and definitely recall.
 

Sharon

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SamSpade said:
Do you still use these with your dog, or is this primarily for training them?
Training only. The Halti stops them from pulling. Their body follows the head, it amazing. After their head jerks a few times (by you, plus giving them a command) they get the message that they AREN'T in control - you are. Once you get them walking nicely you can use something else (collar, choker, or harness).

I only had to use the Halti a few times. I switched to a harness after that for walking. I think they're better and more comfy for the dog. It's also easier to control a large dog because you have him/her by the center of gravity vs. a choke chain on the neck. They also don't make that God-awful wheezing sound until you get them trained to walk nicely on the harness.
 

SamSpade

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cattitude said:
I thought you took them to obedience?.

Not for quite a while.

Have the leash loose.

Ok, even with the Halti, how does this work? (I realize that online, it sounds like I don't believe you - but this is just how I ask questions). What I want to know is, how do I keep a leash "loose" when I have a dog that is yanking it hard? I've experimented with letting it out a little only to have them immediately take up the slack. Jangle is the worst offender; Jingle only does this when she's afraid.

Also, I'm trying to teach them to respect cars. They don't, yet. So far, the only thing I have done is stop and try to teach them to sit when one is coming. But at the moment, they have no "instinct" to stay away from them.
 

cattitude

My Sweetest Boy
I use the gentle leader. It works like a halter on a horse. You control the whole head. You would be surprised at how the pulling stops.

I have offered before...I'd be happy to come over and show you some tips but you have to be willing to be committed to working with them every day until they get the hang of it.
 

Nickel

curiouser and curiouser
Our dog is a bit of a puller (that's actually an understatement, I think he's been watching "Snow Dogs", he acts like a little sled dog). We switched him to a harness/leash combo, rather than attaching the leash to his collar, and he's 110% better. Something about the collar pulling on his throat made him want to pull against us. The next step (if the harness hadn't worked) would have been the gentle leader. And we were taught to never let the dog pull us anywhere. He's a strong little somebody, but he doesn't pull me around. We either walk somewhere together, or don't go there at all. I agree with Catt, loose leash walking should have been taught in obedience school. I think that's what was stressed the most in our classes.
 

Lilypad

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SamSpade said:
I've watched enough episodes of The Dog Whisperer to get the basic idea that just like walking is recognized as basically good exercise, walking your dog is basically good simple training for your dog.

I think it would be great to be able to walk them both at the same time, but until I can calm HIM down, there's little likelihood this will work. Anyone have ideas? Someone who walks more than one dog at a time?

IMHO-you need to watch more Dog Whisperer, maybe get the CD's :yay:

Halti collars can be dangerous IF you don't know how to use them correctly. The dog could hit the end of the lead and snap its head around, causing injury to the neck. The halti is intended for use when the dog is walking at your side, not when it is running away from you (for example, on a Flexi-lead).

It took a lot of patience and perseverance on my part to get my 5 (individually) to walk by my side, not to lunge or try to lead or walk ME.
The whole point to walking is, wearing them out so they take a nap! :killingme
 

SamSpade

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Lilypad said:
The whole point to walking is, wearing them out so they take a nap! :killingme

I hope not. I learned a long time ago when babysitting six-year-olds, you will NOT wear them out - they will wear YOU out.

Then you'll be exhausted while being trounced on by a wound up six-year-old.
 

Nickel

curiouser and curiouser
SamSpade said:
I hope not. I learned a long time ago when babysitting six-year-olds, you will NOT wear them out - they will wear YOU out.

Then you'll be exhausted while being trounced on by a wound up six-year-old.
You'd be surprised at what will wear a dog out. My dog is notorious for having boundless energy, however one hour of obedience training (which is not strenuous at all) had him stretched out in the grass, ready to snooze like a baby. We did a little beginner's agility, and after about 15 minutes, he was more relaxed than I've ever seen him. Stimulate their minds and bodies, and they'll be like jello. :lmao:
 

Lilypad

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Nickel said:
You'd be surprised at what will wear a dog out. My dog is notorious for having boundless energy, however one hour of obedience training (which is not strenuous at all) had him stretched out in the grass, ready to snooze like a baby. We did a little beginner's agility, and after about 15 minutes, he was more relaxed than I've ever seen him. Stimulate their minds and bodies, and they'll be like jello. :lmao:
I told SS the whole point in dog walking is so the hounds can pick up their P-mails!! :killingme
 

alex

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Just give one of my 2 a bath and they sleep for the rest of the day and night. I use the harness/leash method myself because my dogs have pencil heads and easily slip out of their collars if they pull too much. Choke chains are okay but when not on a leash they fall off their heads, plus they really like to rumble together and I am afraid one might hurt the other.Walking every day is the only way to train them however. Have fun.
 

SamSpade

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Nickel said:
You'd be surprised at what will wear a dog out. My dog is notorious for having boundless energy, however one hour of obedience training (which is not strenuous at all) had him stretched out in the grass, ready to snooze like a baby. We did a little beginner's agility, and after about 15 minutes, he was more relaxed than I've ever seen him. Stimulate their minds and bodies, and they'll be like jello. :lmao:

I do tell my wife that I think they sleep more than we suspect. Most walks they come home and nap next to us - but they do that anyway. It's hard to tell if they're worn out, or just doing what they would usually do.

Lately we've both taken to napping with them next to us - Jingle is on medication for incontinence and it seems to work a little. She definitely does not have an ectopic ureter (if that's right?) because she can pee at will - she doesn't "drain". As far as I can tell, she just has weak muscles, which release when her bladder is full and she naps. Anyway, they like to nap with us.

I've never had a dog in my life where I was concerned about their behavior - growing up, we just did everything old school - you know, put them out in the yard during the day, use the rolled up newspaper. We always lived out in the boonies, so our dog could run freely with us without a leash, and eventually, she didn't need one - and in some of the homes we had, we just let them outside, period. No fence. Taking them on walks just meant bringing them along, because sometimes, there was no leash at all. This is the first time I've made a conscious effort to have a well-behaved dog, because it means a lot to me that our dogs protect and play well with the children we intend to adopt.

As you pointed out once, I may be over-anxious for them to learn, when it really may just take time. They are, after all, still only nine months old. Barely out of puppy stage. I just worry about them getting loose and getting hit by a car - I worry they will get into danger and not know it. I worry they will hurt our children unwittingly. And like any "parent' I worry they will be unhappy when I try to discipline them.
 

SamSpade

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alex said:
Just give one of my 2 a bath and they sleep for the rest of the day and night. I use the harness/leash method myself because my dogs have pencil heads and easily slip out of their collars if they pull too much. Choke chains are okay but when not on a leash they fall off their heads, plus they really like to rumble together and I am afraid one might hurt the other.Walking every day is the only way to train them however. Have fun.

I've been using choke collars from the beginning because that is what the man in their puppy kindergarden recommended. I may have to weigh the pros and cons of other leads. So far, since I only walk one at a time, I only need to buy one to see how well it works. The male is the only one for whom it's going to be a problem. MOST of the time on walks, they're 'good dogs' - they don't bark, squirm or jump around. I just want them to be really good dogs - staying at heel during a walk. Jingle is pretty good at this already; she just spooks easily. I can't get over how funny it is for them both running away from the mini schnauzers that visit my neighbors - they're scaredy dogs.
 

cattitude

My Sweetest Boy
You have NEVER taught the puppies what you expect on a leash. I give up Sam. Choke collars? My dogs walk nicely beside me and I've never used a choke on any of them. If there are no distractions a buckle collar is fine, I use the gentle leader if they're going out in public or where I need more control.

You have to work with them CONSTANTLY to reinfoce what it is you want them to do.

You really should invest in a class with Brett Warren. I've seen her do wonders and it is all POSITIVE reinforcement and never pulling or dragging or using choke collars. I've trained many dogs and have been through many obedience classes with different style instructors. Brett's methods are by far the best I've ever seen.
 

DunkirkDogg

Off the Chain
cattitude said:
I've posted that link many, many times on here.

Sorry new here... I must agree with you though. She is very good at helping you understand how to train your dog. I finished puppy preschool with her this past spring. I would refer anyone that needs help during training to sign up for one of her classes.
 
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