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[hvp05]

Is this that "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" reasoning?

Either that or "Two wrongs really do make a right!"

 

[hvp05]

I guess it is where you draw the line, a band aid to putting a child/adult to psychological abusing.

Ooookay then...

It a complex issue that you can not understand if you have not researched this issue out.

As for the anti-homosexual agreeing me me, so what. Still does not make your position any more correct.

Since you have named yourself the authority, I guess that should pretty well wrap this thread up.

People are either anti homosexual, or pro-homosexual.

Nothing in between.

I am not black-or-white on it. :shrug:

I do think it is possible for a homosexual couple to provide a good home; to be good people; to be good friends.

I do not think homosexuals should receive preferential treatment in areas such as hiring or "hate crimes". (Issues curiously overlooked by some...)

Conversely, when have you, Imno, said anything positive about homosexuals in society?

 

[Bann]

I guess it is where you draw the line, a band aid to putting a child/adult to psychological abusing.

English, please.

Disrespect toward the natural process of life creation is what it is all about. It a complex issue that you can not understand if you have not researched this issue out.

Did someone die last night and leave you in charge? How very sanctimonious of you. Please cite the sources for your research of this very complex matter so that we can all be as smart as you obviously are.

And while you're at it - do tell: do you object to a heterosexual couple acquiring a child through a surrogate mother? Or a heterosexual couple who choose artificial insemination because they are unable to conceive a child through "the natural process of life creation". What about a single woman having a child of her own through a sperm donor or adoption? OR a single man?. And for that matter, what is your view about test tube babies?

 

[Bann]

Hey, we might be getting somewhere here.

"English, please." Birth bond is very important. Without it, children and adults are at a huge disadvantage and have mental challenges associated with abandonment and trust.

Birth bonds are not something that a surrogate parent can not replace.
There are exceptions, but this is pretty much the rule.

As for your question, I think you cover just about every case that I think is destructive to the birth bond.

As for Sources, I recommend that you look in to Nancy Verrier to start with.

"Many doctors and psychologists now understand that bonding doesn't begin at birth, but is a continuum of physiological, psychological, and spiritual events which begin in utero and continue throughout the postnatal bonding period. When this natural evolution is interrupted by a postnatal separation from the biological mother, the resultant experience of abandonment and loss is indelibly imprinted upon the unconscious minds of these children, causing that which I call the primal wound'." So writes Nancy Verrier in her book, The Primal Wound: Understanding the Adopted Child (1993).

Birth Psychology -What Is The Primal Wound?

Even though I do not always agree with Betty Jean Lifton and have had a direct relationship with her on an issue, she offers some interesting first hand views on adoption. Read Twice Born, Lost and Found and Journey of the Adopted Self is a good starting point.

If you need something for a more simple mind, read or watch Mommy Dearest, Secret and Lies and Ordinary People.


I turn your question back on you. Tell me what your position is on what you ask and why you think it with supporting writings from experts in the field.

I promise I will not name call if I disagree and will listen with an open mind. Your questions are very on topic for this thread.

I haven't researched anything - but I'm not going around telling everyone how they are wrong because my research is somehow superior.

I've said what my position is. EJ and his partner may be very good parents. Time will tell.

Certainly, a male and a female are the "ideal" two parent heads of a family. That's just a no brainer. Otherwise, the population of the world would parish.

However, that is not to say other forms of families are not just as good or better, in some cases. What is my basis for my opinion? Just observation of other forms of families. What I read about. I don't have cites or references, but again -I'm not claiming to know it all or that I'm right and everyone else is oh, so wrong - I'm just giving my opinion.

And I think that is what most of us were saying. If you don't agree - you don't agree. Fine by me.

 

[ImnoMensa]

Ooookay then...


Since you have named yourself the authority, I guess that should pretty well wrap this thread up.



I am not black-or-white on it. :shrug:

I do think it is possible for a homosexual couple to provide a good home; to be good people; to be good friends.

I do not think homosexuals should receive preferential treatment in areas such as hiring or "hate crimes". (Issues curiously overlooked by some...)

Conversely, when have you, Imno, said anything positive about homosexuals in society?

Many Homosexuals have done many positive things in society, but the things they did have nothing to do with their preference.

The positive thing done by Homosexuals in the military, in jobs ,and in their daily lives, were done not because they were homosexuals, but they were contributing members of society.

The things we all do , do not mean a lot because most of us are heterosexuals , but because we all contribute, and we leave our sexual preferences at home.

I have no problems with homosexuals when they leave their preference's at home. When they push their agenda at the military, at schools, at the rest of society, I object.

Can you tell me of any positive things homosexuals have done only because they are homosexuals? Marching for approval of gay marriage & DADT doesn't count.

 

[Lenny]

We leave our sexual preferences at home was the proper thing to do as I was taught. It is nobody's business.

And that was what DADT was all about, wasn't it?