Eric Adams = freaking BRILLIANT!

[vraiblonde]

Not being facetious, I honestly think this is the best idea he or anyone has ever had:



NYC residents voted for this and I think encouraging/forcing them to take "refugees" into their homes is a sound solution. ALL Democrat cities should do this. Hell, send them your red city's illegals so Democrat voters can shelter and feed them. I'd start with sending a shipment back to Martha's Vineyard and not allowing those Democrat bigots and haters to send them elsewhere like they did before.

Hey, Barry and Mike - how many will you be putting up in that big ol' mansion of yours?

 

[Hijinx]

If they can find enough insane homeowners to take them in, and of course be paid to do it I will be amazed.
But tell me folks. How do you get rid of them when you find they are not suitable?

They are unclean, they don't help keep the place clean, they use drugs, they don't speak English, they sleep all day and stay up half the night. The whole bundle of things that humans do that offends other humans and you want them out .

 

[RoseRed]

Sounds like an abfab idea, especially for some young single females. Even better if they have young children at home. What could possibly go wrong.

 

[RoseRed]

U.S. Put Migrant Gangbanger with MS-13 Tattoos in Foster Home after Raping, Killing Woman - Judicial Watch

The teenager who raped and murdered a Maryland woman last summer was a known gang member arrested in his native El Salvador before coming to the U.S. under a special program that welcomes illegal immigrants under the age of 18 and provides them with a multitude of taxpayer benefits. Even after...

www.judicialwatch.org

 

[awpitt]

""The study found that undocumented immigrants had substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants across a range of felony offenses. Relative to undocumented immigrants, U.S.-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes.""

https://www.ojp.gov/library/publica...nts-legal-immigrants-and#additional-details-0

 

[Kyle]

""The study found that undocumented immigrants had substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants across a range of felony offenses. Relative to undocumented immigrants, U.S.-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes.""

https://www.ojp.gov/library/publica...nts-legal-immigrants-and#additional-details-0

If the illegal commits one crime… that’s one more than there should be.

get rid of them.

 

[Clem72]

""The study found that undocumented immigrants had substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants across a range of felony offenses. Relative to undocumented immigrants, U.S.-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes.""

https://www.ojp.gov/library/publica...nts-legal-immigrants-and#additional-details-0

Falls under the "never commit two crimes at once" rule, so if they are here illegally maybe they are more mindful of doing things that might get them caught and deported. At least that used to be the case.

 

[vraiblonde]

""The study found that undocumented immigrants had substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants across a range of felony offenses. Relative to undocumented immigrants, U.S.-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes.""

https://www.ojp.gov/library/publica...nts-legal-immigrants-and#additional-details-0

Great! How many are you taking into your home?

And it pains me to point out that of course US citizens have a higher rate of crime than illegal aliens - there's a great deal more of them. Talk to me about percentage of population, and you can even disregard the fact that every single illegal alien in this country is in fact committing a federal crime simply by being here illegally.

 

[awpitt]

Great! How many are you taking into your home?

And it pains me to point out that of course US citizens have a higher rate of crime than illegal aliens - there's a great deal more of them. Talk to me about percentage of population, and you can even disregard the fact that every single illegal alien in this country is in fact committing a federal crime simply by being here illegally.

Yes, they are here illegally. That's a given. That aside, the characterization that they ALL come here to commit crime is false. The crime rate per every 100 undocumented is lower than the crime rate per every 100 citizens and per every 100 LPRs.

 

[DaSDGuy]

"undocumented immigrants"!! That's just great, start a study with a lie. They are ALL illegal invaders and every single one of them is guilty of committing a crime.

That gives them a 100% crime rate. Every man, woman and child.

 

[DaSDGuy]

Yes, they are here illegally. That's a given. That aside, the characterization that they ALL come here to commit crime is false. The crime rate per every 100 undocumented is lower than the crime rate per every 100 citizens and per every 100 LPRs.

Not true. By coming here illegally they intentionally committed a crime. That is a fact. They have no regard for the laws of the USA.

 

[awpitt]

Not true. By coming here illegally they intentionally committed a crime. That is a fact. They have no regard for the laws of the USA.

That was already covered.

 

[Clem72]

Yes, they are here illegally. That's a given. That aside, the characterization that they ALL come here to commit crime is false. The crime rate per every 100 undocumented is lower than the crime rate per every 100 citizens and per every 100 LPRs.

What's the methodology for this anyways? Are they comparing people that have a couple of years of questionable residency against populations that have been here their whole lives? The average age of an American is 38 years, so that's 38 years for them to get into trouble. Maybe we call it 26 years and assume people under 13 don't commit too many heinous crimes.

Google says the average illegal immigrant has been here 13 years (median number of years). If you just compare total number of "crimes committed by citizens vs crimes committed by illegal immigrants" you neglect the fact that citizens have spent literally twice as much time in the country to commit those crimes.

If you only go by current arrests you neglect the fact that many cities do not prosecute illegals for crimes they would prosecute a citizen for. This has been true forever. My sister-in-law was hit by an illegal driving without a license or insurance more than 20 years ago, totaling both cars. The police report stated the driver refused to take a sobriety test and was likely under the influence. Her insurance paid for her medical bills but not the damage to the vehicle and she couldn't sue the person because the police let the person go without charging them and wouldn't (or couldn't) provide her with any personal contact information.

 

[OccamsRazor]

If you just compare stats "crimes committed by citizens vs crimes committed by illegal immigrants" you neglect the fact that citizens have spent literally twice as much time in the country to commit those crimes.

Illegals have spent ZERO time in this country without committing a crime.

 

[awpitt]

What's the methodology for this anyways? Are they comparing people that have a couple of years of questionable residency against populations that have been here their whole lives? The average age of an American is 38 years, so that's 38 years for them to get into trouble. Maybe we call it 26 years and assume people under 13 don't commit too many heinous crimes.

Google says the average illegal immigrant has been here 13 years (median number of years). If you just compare stats "crimes committed by citizens vs crimes committed by illegal immigrants" you neglect the fact that citizens have spent literally twice as much time in the country to commit those crimes.

Details are in the referenced study.

 

[Clem72]

Details are in the referenced study.

Okay, I looked. Apparently you didn't. They cherry picked a six year period in Texas (as we know, Texans are "average Americans" and any stats based on Texas are definitely applicable to the entire country), they took the existing estimates of the number of illegal immigrants present and "adjusted them for underenumeration", and then they took records of arrests of illegals and tossed them out because the people were turned over to the feds. In 2018 they had 60k arrests from legal immigrants, and 37,000 arrests from illegals but they tossed out 39,000 arrests for illegals.

They also cite two previous studies that came to the opposite conclusion.

So I don't know how you can find anything authoritative about a study that discards MORE THAN HALF of the data for one of the three target populations and then inflates the total number of that same population. Even if you completely accept their rationale for adjusting the population upwards when citing population studies that already made the same adjustments for the same reasons, there's no way to justify not including the federal charges. They say "it's fair, we dropped all the federal charges not just the illegal immigrant ones" and then later say "70% of the dropped federal charges were for illegal immigrants".

 

[SamSpade]

I'm skeptical on how on earth anyone can create a study on rate of crime committed by illegals when they're not really even sure how many of them there are. Aren't there already states who disallow police to even ASK if they're citizens?



I *do* agree, it's time for the rich liberals to start putting their money where their mouth is. My parents did this, albeit with legal immigrants who had entered legally. They found them jobs, found them places to live and they have a successful business and speak stellar English.

It does remind me of something a minister told our congregation when they were trying to meet their funding goals for the year. He said, guess what, church, we have enough money to meet all of this year's goals. The bad news - you still have to give it.

 

[SamSpade]

Okay, I looked. Apparently you didn't. They cherry picked a six year period....

Thanks. You know your three kinds of lies.

Making a good study does require lots of information, and the one fact we all know is - the government doesn't know very much about them.

 

[awpitt]

Okay, I looked. Apparently you didn't. They cherry picked a six year period in Texas (as we know, Texans are "average Americans" and any stats based on Texas are definitely applicable to the entire country), they took the existing estimates of the number of illegal immigrants present and "adjusted them for underenumeration", and then they took records of arrests of illegals and tossed them out because the people were turned over to the feds. In 2018 they had 60k arrests from legal immigrants, and 37,000 arrests from illegals but they tossed out 39,000 arrests for illegals.

They also cite two previous studies that came to the opposite conclusion.

So I don't know how you can find anything authoritative about a study that discards MORE THAN HALF of the data for one of the three target populations and then inflates the total number of that same population. Even if you completely accept their rationale for adjusting the population upwards when citing population studies that already made the same adjustments for the same reasons, there's no way to justify not including the federal charges. They say "it's fair, we dropped all the federal charges not just the illegal immigrant ones" and then later say "70% of the dropped federal charges were for illegal immigrants".

Show us a study that shows that illegals have the highest crime rate of all those in our Country. Violent crimes, drug crimes, etc.


""To our knowledge, Texas is the only state that requires the determination and documentation of immigration status as part of its standard criminal justice records practice. Combined with the fact that we have complete information for every jailable arrest in Texas, our dataset is ideal for comparing the criminality between undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, and native-born citizens. Simply put, no other data source in the United States could accomplish this task with the same degree of breadth, rigor, and detail.""

 

[Clem72]

Show us a study that shows that illegals have the highest crime rate of all those in our Country. Violent crimes, drug crimes, etc.


""To our knowledge, Texas is the only state that requires the determination and documentation of immigration status as part of its standard criminal justice records practice. Combined with the fact that we have complete information for every jailable arrest in Texas, our dataset is ideal for comparing the criminality between undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, and native-born citizens. Simply put, no other data source in the United States could accomplish this task with the same degree of breadth, rigor, and detail.""

They had data, then they threw away more than half for one group, and then "adjusted" two population studies. And I don't need to show you the opposite study, it's right there in the reference section of this study. They hand-wave it away saying those studies didn't have as good of data. It's all bunk because even if they are correct that their source data is accurate, the way they compiled it is objectively incorrect and the way they adjusted their populations is suspect.