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He being stupid for stupidity's sake.SamSpade said:?
If you're going to start doing that crap again, I'm putting you on ignore.AndyMarquisLIVE said:
Have a take and don't suck.
Bustem' Down
Give Peas a Chance
Maybe drinking forestal's Kool-Aid.2ndAmendment said:
ylexot said:
Actually, because of endless appeals - I've seen data over the last thirty years that support that - that strangely enough, it can be cheaper to incarcerate someone for life than to put them on death row.
Yes, OBVIOUSLY it's cheaper if they just throw the switch the first time, but in practice, it isn't, because they don't just throw it right away.
sparkyaclown
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SamSpade said:
I'd love to see the statistic on how many death row inmates die of natural causes before the appeals run out.
Bustem' Down
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Lou_Beetssparkyaclown said:
Not her. Texas put her down when she was 62.
PsyOps
Pixelated
Personally I'm fed up with this cost argument as apposed to justice. I don't care if it costs more to put someone, that deserve the death penalty, to death. The cost argument is just a smoke screen for the anti-death penalty crowd to bolster an otherwise failed argument. And another part of this is, defense lawyers and activist judges will litigate death penalty cases for decades for that very purpose; to bolster the anti-death penalty argument.SamSpade said:
The new Iraqi government has us beat in that. Speedy conclusion after being found guilty. :snap:PsyOps said:
AndyMarquisLIVE
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The problem is the endless appeals process and all that. I like the Iraqi style.
This is one of the few things I've ever agreed with Psyops on, one appeal. If you lose that appeal, you're fried. If it's a mistrial by ONE juror, majority rules.
This is one of the few things I've ever agreed with Psyops on, one appeal. If you lose that appeal, you're fried. If it's a mistrial by ONE juror, majority rules.
Bustem' Down
Give Peas a Chance
Maybe 2A is right and the last days are approching.AndyMarquisLIVE said:
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
Before we throw the switch on murderous criminals...
...the court system has to absolutely ensure this does not happen:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-description/0385517238/ref=dp_proddesc_0/103-5584325-4614252?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books
Book Description - The Innocent Man by John Grisham
John Grisham’s first work of nonfiction, an exploration of small town justice gone terribly awry, is his most extraordinary legal thriller yet.
In the major league draft of 1971, the first player chosen from the State of Oklahoma was Ron Williamson. When he signed with the Oakland A’s, he said goodbye to his hometown of Ada and left to pursue his dreams of big league glory.
Six years later he was back, his dreams broken by a bad arm and bad habits—drinking, drugs, and women. He began to show signs of mental illness. Unable to keep a job, he moved in with his mother and slept twenty hours a day on her sofa.
In 1982, a 21-year-old ####tail waitress in Ada named Debra Sue Carter was raped and murdered, and for five years the police could not solve the crime. For reasons that were never clear, they suspected Ron Williamson and his friend Dennis Fritz. The two were finally arrested in 1987 and charged with capital murder.
With no physical evidence, the prosecution’s case was built on junk science and the testimony of jailhouse snitches and convicts. Dennis Fritz was found guilty and given a life sentence. Ron Williamson was sent to death row.
If you believe that in America you are innocent until proven guilty, this book will shock you. If you believe in the death penalty, this book will disturb you. If you believe the criminal justice system is fair, this book will infuriate you.
I saw an article on this book in the USA Today, a few weeks back, that reviewed Grisham's book.
I found my self saying out loud, as I read it: " Damn!" over and over.
The police and lawyers lied their azzes off, were deceitful in their investigation and testimony in this case. Actually two men were convicted of this crime.
...the court system has to absolutely ensure this does not happen:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-description/0385517238/ref=dp_proddesc_0/103-5584325-4614252?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books
Book Description - The Innocent Man by John Grisham
John Grisham’s first work of nonfiction, an exploration of small town justice gone terribly awry, is his most extraordinary legal thriller yet.
In the major league draft of 1971, the first player chosen from the State of Oklahoma was Ron Williamson. When he signed with the Oakland A’s, he said goodbye to his hometown of Ada and left to pursue his dreams of big league glory.
Six years later he was back, his dreams broken by a bad arm and bad habits—drinking, drugs, and women. He began to show signs of mental illness. Unable to keep a job, he moved in with his mother and slept twenty hours a day on her sofa.
In 1982, a 21-year-old ####tail waitress in Ada named Debra Sue Carter was raped and murdered, and for five years the police could not solve the crime. For reasons that were never clear, they suspected Ron Williamson and his friend Dennis Fritz. The two were finally arrested in 1987 and charged with capital murder.
With no physical evidence, the prosecution’s case was built on junk science and the testimony of jailhouse snitches and convicts. Dennis Fritz was found guilty and given a life sentence. Ron Williamson was sent to death row.
If you believe that in America you are innocent until proven guilty, this book will shock you. If you believe in the death penalty, this book will disturb you. If you believe the criminal justice system is fair, this book will infuriate you.
I saw an article on this book in the USA Today, a few weeks back, that reviewed Grisham's book.
I found my self saying out loud, as I read it: " Damn!" over and over.
The police and lawyers lied their azzes off, were deceitful in their investigation and testimony in this case. Actually two men were convicted of this crime.
hvp05
Methodically disorganized
There are blatant, egregious flaws in this case, but I don't see the fault on the shoulders of the death penalty.Penn said:
There have been cases where the prosecution has acted appropriately and innocent people have gone to prison - or even death. That is unfortunate, but I would question if this happens frequently enough to block the DP.
I agree with PsyOps also, in that I think the cost argument is invalid. Some people are not rehabitable; no matter how long they sit in a cell to "contemplate" their crime
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
hvp05 said:
Don't get me wrong - I support the DP. There are too many people out there who have never learned the lesson - that you are responsible for your own actions. You should be aware that if you cause someone else to die, whether it involves jealousy, a fit of rage, or your own cowardice - anything unlawful, then you deserve the same fate.
I simply forwarded this caveat, because the court system in our country, sometimes seems to let innocent people down.
Devil's Advocate? :shrug:
hvp05
Methodically disorganized
Created by humans and run by humans... mistakes are to be expected. But should that discredit the DP? Within a certain threshhold I would think not, but if mistakes outweighed justified sentences then yes.Penn said:
Did you just imply that Liberals are Devils?Penn said:
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
hvp05 said:Created by humans and run by humans... mistakes are to be expected. But should that discredit the DP? Within a certain threshhold I would think not, but if mistakes outweighed justified sentences then yes.
Did you just imply that Liberals are Devils?
She-e-e-i-tt! Ain't that obvious, by now?
