Faith-healing parents charged in death of infant
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libertytyranny
Dream Stealer
This is a tough one for me. While I truely want to support a parents right to raise their child as they wish, and I want to respect other religions...this stuff is so sad. Simple medical attention could have saved this little boy. I want to shake the sh** out of these parents sometimes.. I believe that many of them actually believe they are doing what is best..and I think that parents should have the right to do what they believe is best..but..this is just a tough one....
mAlice
professional daydreamer
I heard this on the radio this morning...
A farmer is in Iowa during a flood. The river is overflowing. Water is surrounding the farmer’s home up to his front porch. As he is standing there, a boat comes up. The man in the boat says, “Jump in, and I’ll take you to safety.”
The farmer crosses his arms and says stubbornly, “Oh no thanks, I put my trust in God.” The boat goes away. The water rises to the second story. Another boat comes up. The man says to the farmer, who is now at the second floor window, “Hurry, jump in. I’ll save you.”
The farmer again says, “Oh no thanks, I put my trust in God.”
The boat goes away. Now the water is inching over the roof. As the farmer stands on the roof, a helicopter comes over, and drops a ladder. The pilot yells down to the farmer, “I’ll save you. Climb the ladder.”
The farmer yells back, “Oh no thanks, I put my trust in God.”
The helicopter goes away. The water continues to rise and sweeps the farmer off the roof into the swiftly moving water. Unfortunately, he drowns.
The farmer goes to heaven. God sees him and says, “What are you doing here?”
The farmer says, “I put my trust in you, and you let me down.”
God says, “What do you mean, let you down? I sent you two boats and a helicopter!”
A farmer is in Iowa during a flood. The river is overflowing. Water is surrounding the farmer’s home up to his front porch. As he is standing there, a boat comes up. The man in the boat says, “Jump in, and I’ll take you to safety.”
The farmer crosses his arms and says stubbornly, “Oh no thanks, I put my trust in God.” The boat goes away. The water rises to the second story. Another boat comes up. The man says to the farmer, who is now at the second floor window, “Hurry, jump in. I’ll save you.”
The farmer again says, “Oh no thanks, I put my trust in God.”
The boat goes away. Now the water is inching over the roof. As the farmer stands on the roof, a helicopter comes over, and drops a ladder. The pilot yells down to the farmer, “I’ll save you. Climb the ladder.”
The farmer yells back, “Oh no thanks, I put my trust in God.”
The helicopter goes away. The water continues to rise and sweeps the farmer off the roof into the swiftly moving water. Unfortunately, he drowns.
The farmer goes to heaven. God sees him and says, “What are you doing here?”
The farmer says, “I put my trust in you, and you let me down.”
God says, “What do you mean, let you down? I sent you two boats and a helicopter!”
godsbutterfly
Free to Fly
It is a tough one. For myself I firmly believe in God but I also believe (as Malice's story illustrates) that we have doctors and medicines for a reason so my baby would have been in being treated.
I do not think this is a tough call at all. Parents have a right to determine their children's medical treatment, not the government.
And there are no buts about it.
While I do not agree with the parents' decision, I also have no interest in giving the government any more control over how we raise our children than what they already have. In fact, I don't even want them to have THAT much control.
And there are no buts about it.
While I do not agree with the parents' decision, I also have no interest in giving the government any more control over how we raise our children than what they already have. In fact, I don't even want them to have THAT much control.
kwillia
n/a
I agree and as horrible as it sounds, it is natural selection.... the way nature is intended to work.
kom526
They call me ... Sarcasmo
Hopefully the parents get "naturally selected".
kwillia
n/a
That's not how it works. They remove themselves from the gene pool.
Toxick
Splat
Nucklesack
New Member
Even when how the parents raise their children harms the children?
Toxick
Splat
More interesting is what the parents are thinking about all this. They asked God to heal their child. God said "no".
Do you suppose their faith took a beating, or are they okay with being denied? Like, maybe there's a higher purpose and they accept it? Or maybe they feel they didn't pray hard enough?
Do you suppose their faith took a beating, or are they okay with being denied? Like, maybe there's a higher purpose and they accept it? Or maybe they feel they didn't pray hard enough?
kwillia
n/a
That is always what I hear in cases of unanswered prayers... "God took him/her home for a reason." and they leave it at that.
Toxick
Splat
It's possible they thought that there's a higher purpose for the kids death.
Personally, I'd need a little more convincing.
Like for instance, I've never denied my kids medicine because them being sick is "God's Will". (If it was God's will that people remain sick, he wouldn't have given us the wherewithal and brain-power to create medicine in the first place). The way I see it, if I thwart God's will by giving my kid peniscillin, God can simply pick a night to drop an asteroid on my house and thwart MY will. There's pretty much nothing I can do about an asteroid turning half my house into a smoking hole.
That said, I agree with you on the "Its not the government's business" concept. Unless there was an active murder involved, this is nothing more than a violation of the parent's constitutially protected 1st amendement rights.
MMDad
Lem Putt
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Their pastor was there. It is evident that they sought guidance from the person they trusted the most. If anyone deserves to be charged it is the pastor who led the parents to make the wrong decision.
As Malice's parable points out, who are these people to decide that medical care is not something given to us by God?
Their pastor was there. It is evident that they sought guidance from the person they trusted the most. If anyone deserves to be charged it is the pastor who led the parents to make the wrong decision.
As Malice's parable points out, who are these people to decide that medical care is not something given to us by God?
PJumper
New Member
This is clearly a case of religious persecution. The parents did not show ill intent on their child, they just believe their faith would heal him, hence they seek help of their minister.
How about prosecuting those who willfully kill their unborn children out of conveniece, conceived because of their irresponsible sexual behavior?
How about prosecuting those who willfully kill their unborn children out of conveniece, conceived because of their irresponsible sexual behavior?
And who is anyone to say that it is?
kom526
They call me ... Sarcasmo
:fixed:Either way, it's their fault. Not religious enough or just plain negligent.