Faith-healing parents charged in death of infant

[kwillia]

Low grade fevers are a natural immune system response. The elevated temperature makes the bodies lymphatic system more fluid(like warming syrup makes it flow easier). The lymphatic system is what cleans the infection and contaminants out of the body and recognizes the infection and builds a natural defense. More and more doctors are recommending that children be allowed to "suffer" through their early ear infections instead of antibiotics for this very reason. Children with terrible recurring ear infections (to include loss of hearing) have been shown to have been placed on multiple antibiotics and the body never has an opportunity to build its own immunity.

I agree, but Kain would kick your marine azz if she were still here.

 

[Cowgirl]

A few years back, Kain and I got into a knock down drag out hilacious fight on here because she is of the belief low-grade fevers should be eradicated and I'm of the believe that they can be the body's natural defense and should be monitored but are not necessarily grounds for panic.

Who gets to make the call as to who is right and who is wrong? Should it be legislated?

I agree with you on the fever thing. I believe there IS a time when someone should step in and protect children from parental harm/neglect/whatever you want to call it. Who draws the line? And who determines right and wrong? Good question.

What about the story in the news a few years ago about the baby who died because his parents didn't provide proper nutrition. I think they were vegan and fed him apple juice or something crazy. That's neglect. How is that different from denying medical care for an obviously sick child? Because of religion?

 

[MadDogMarine]

I agree, but Kain would kick your marine azz if she were still here.

This Marine Azz has had it's share of kickings and has built up a pretty good
immunity. I do have a tendency to absorb the first few kickings, then I respond
in kind.

 

[Nucklesack]

I agree with you on the fever thing. I believe there IS a time when someone should step in and protect children from parental harm/neglect/whatever you want to call it. Who draws the line? And who determines right and wrong? Good question.

What about the story in the news a few years ago about the baby who died because his parents didn't provide proper nutrition. I think they were vegan and fed him apple juice or something crazy. That's neglect. How is that different from denying medical care for an obviously sick child? Because of religion?

And thats the barometer to use. If Society has deemed something as neglect, it doesnt get a pass because of the Parents religion. Otherwise this allows Religion to overrule the will of Society. This is also the way the Supreme Court has ruled on it when similiar cases have come before it.

 

[MadDogMarine]

I agree with you on the fever thing. I believe there IS a time when someone should step in and protect children from parental harm/neglect/whatever you want to call it. Who draws the line? And who determines right and wrong? Good question.

What about the story in the news a few years ago about the baby who died because his parents didn't provide proper nutrition. I think they were vegan and fed him apple juice or something crazy. That's neglect. How is that different from denying medical care for an obviously sick child? Because of religion?

I agree with your concern and what seems to be a needless loss of a child's life. But long ago I have gotten away from the the concept of "micro-managing" every isolated event the news makes a big deal of while the real serious issues are being ignored. Child protective services in Florida has lost thousands of children, many to violent foster families who took on multiple children because they needed the money or they were pedophiles. There is big money from the federal govt for every child taken by social services. It has become out of control. Just like the education system gets "special ed" funding for every child placed on ritalin. One school in Virgina placed 50% of their boys on Ritalin. That is where the real child abuse is taking place. Not in a Christian family praying over their sick child.

 

[vraiblonde]

That's why it's called "faith".

Then why can't people have faith that God will heal their child?



Wouldn't this be a great conversation to have over beers?

 

[vraiblonde]

My point was if it's ok for parents to raise their children as they please, why is there a Social Services? In your opinion, do you think parents should be able to do whatever they want to their child? Where is the line drawn? Is there even a line at all?

These people did not "do" anything to their child. They did not beat him. They did not refuse to feed him. They did not abandon him.

They simply took an alternate healing route - one, I might add, that many people devoutly believe works. Just because YOU do not agree with it doesn't make it wrong.

 

[vraiblonde]

I agree with you on the fever thing. I believe there IS a time when someone should step in and protect children from parental harm/neglect/whatever you want to call it. Who draws the line? And who determines right and wrong? Good question.

What about the story in the news a few years ago about the baby who died because his parents didn't provide proper nutrition. I think they were vegan and fed him apple juice or something crazy. That's neglect. How is that different from denying medical care for an obviously sick child? Because of religion?

Do you want other people telling you how to raise your children?

Yes or no.

 

[OoberBoober]

These people did not "do" anything to their child. They did not beat him. They did not refuse to feed him. They did not abandon him.

They simply took an alternate healing route - one, I might add, that many people devoutly believe works. Just because YOU do not agree with it doesn't make it wrong.

I am not refusing to give my child food, I just believe devoutly that if god wanted my child to eat he would provide.

 

[mAlice]

I am not refusing to give my child food, I just believe devoutly that if god wanted my child to eat he would provide.

 

[vraiblonde]

I am not refusing to give my child food, I just believe devoutly that if god wanted my child to eat he would provide.

Well, great. Then you should sit there with your mouth open and wait for God to fill it for you.

 

[OoberBoober]

Thank you. It is crazy. Why? Because we live in a society based on standards. You don't pray a cut into healing you put a ####ing bandaid on it cause it makes sense.

 

[vraiblonde]

That's how you can tell when someone realizes they've lost their argument: they start delving off into the absurd.

 

[Cowgirl]

These people did not "do" anything to their child.

Exactly! They did not provide medical care which would have prevented the death of their toddler.


And to answer your other question. If I was so delusional as to think praying would save my toddler from bacterial pneumonia, YES I would want someone to slap me upside the head and make sure my baby received the proper medical attention.

 

[MadDogMarine]

I am not refusing to give my child food, I just believe devoutly that if god wanted my child to eat he would provide.

Then practice what you preach. Next time you are hungry don't prepare any food or lift that fork to your mouth. God will provide for you just like you want him to provide for your child!!! Lead by example, one of great faith!

After all, God wasted his time giving us a brain, or arms, or legs or the ability to work or a natural instinct to care and protect our offspring.

 

[OoberBoober]

Then practice what you preach. Next time you are hungry don't prepare any food or lift that fork to your mouth. God will provide for you just like you want him to provide for your child!!! Lead by example, one of great faith!

After all, God wasted his time giving us a brain, or arms, or legs or the ability to work or a natural instinct to care and protect our offspring.

Sorry sorry, I should have put,

 

[vraiblonde]

Thank you. It is crazy. Why? Because we live in a society based on standards. You don't pray a cut into healing you put a ####ing bandaid on it cause it makes sense.

Do you want the government telling you how to raise your children?

Yes or no.

AND do you want the government telling you what health care path you must take?

Yes or no.

 

[vraiblonde]

And to answer your other question.

So you DO want other people telling you how to raise your kids?

I will be sure to remember that.

 

[OoberBoober]

Do you want the government telling you how to raise your children?

Yes or no.

AND do you want the government telling you what health care path you must take?

Yes or no.

Sorry, I don't sit around with tin foil hats like the rest of you. So both of these questions are irrelevant.

 

[Cowgirl]

So you DO want other people telling you how to raise your kids?

I will be sure to remember that.

You do that.