Farsi or arabic?
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forestal
I'm the Boss of Me
You don't have access to the source image, I'm not surprised you can't zoom in to get the results you want...Here's another photo from ABC News if you doubt the authenticity of the one I provided...
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2873061
Funny, with such a recent debacle started over the President's inability to tell the truth, you're willing to give him carte blanche again.....
Well, in Bush's own words: Fool me once, shame on, shame on you..... you fool me you can't get fooled again...
With apologies to The Who...
A Fool and his credability are soon parted.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2873061
Funny, with such a recent debacle started over the President's inability to tell the truth, you're willing to give him carte blanche again.....
Well, in Bush's own words: Fool me once, shame on, shame on you..... you fool me you can't get fooled again...
With apologies to The Who...
A Fool and his credability are soon parted.
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
AndyMarquisLIVE
New Member
Do you care to explain how Iranian weapons are manfactured and timestampted since you're the expert?forestal said:
forestal
I'm the Boss of Me
You don't need to be an expert to realize the Iranians don't use U.S. date formats on their munitions....
From Wikipedia, the only countries who use mm/dd/yy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calendar_date
m/d/yy (month, day, year)
Using the m/d/yy format, the 30th of December 2006 would be written as 12/30/06. Note that leading zeroes in the month and day are often dropped; for example, the 1st of April 2006 would often be written as 4/1/06.
The m/d/yy format is used by:
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and this format is the one used by Iran...
dd/mm/yyyy (day, month, year)
Using the dd/mm/yyyy format, the 30th of December 2006 would be written as 30/12/2006.
The dd/mm/yyyy format is used by:
unless of course they are trying to make the appearance that the weapons didn't come from Iran..
From Wikipedia, the only countries who use mm/dd/yy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calendar_date
m/d/yy (month, day, year)
Using the m/d/yy format, the 30th of December 2006 would be written as 12/30/06. Note that leading zeroes in the month and day are often dropped; for example, the 1st of April 2006 would often be written as 4/1/06.
The m/d/yy format is used by:
- Canada (Although most official documents use the yyyy-mm-dd format, the m/d/yy format is also understood due to influences from the United States.)
- Federated States of Micronesia
- Palau
- Philippines (formerly d/m/yy. May still be found in certain contexts)
- United States (Although Independence Day is often referred to as "the Fourth of July.")
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and this format is the one used by Iran...
dd/mm/yyyy (day, month, year)
Using the dd/mm/yyyy format, the 30th of December 2006 would be written as 30/12/2006.
The dd/mm/yyyy format is used by:
- Albania
- Argentina
- Australia (d.m.yyyy, i.e. punctuated with full stops, is commonly used in Australia)
- Bangladesh
- Barbados
- Belgium
- Belarus
- Belize
- Bolivia
- Brazil
- Bulgaria (dd.mm.yyyy)
- Canada (All 3 main types are used in Canada- in French and in English)
- Chile
- Colombia
- Croatia (d.m.yyyy.)
- Cyprus
- Czech Republic (d.m.yyyy)
- Denmark (often in the fraction form <sup>d</sup>/<sub>m</sub>-y otherwise dd-mm-yyyy or dd-mm-yy)
- Dominica
- Dominican Republic
- Ecuador
- El Salvador
- Estonia
- Finland (d.m.y)
- France
- Germany (using dots as in “d.m.(yy)yy”, but most often "d. month (yy)yy")
- Grenada
- Greece
- Guyana
- Hong Kong (in English)
- Iceland
- Iran
- Ireland
- India
- Indonesia
- Israel
- Italy
- Jamaica
- Kenya
- Latvia (dd.mm.yyyy is used more often, but official standard is year-month-day)
- Macau (in Portuguese & English)
- Malaysia
- Mexico
- Netherlands
- New Zealand
- Norway (d.m.y; the fraction form <sup>d</sup>/<sub>m</sub>-y is common, but incorrect)
- Pakistan
- Paraguay
- Peru
- Poland
- Portugal
- Romania
- Russia
- Saint Kitts and Nevis
- Saint Lucia
- Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
- Serbia (d.m.yyyy)
- Slovakia (d.m.yyyy)
- Slovenia
- Spain
- Singapore
- Sweden (in the fraction form <sup>d</sup>/<sub>m</sub>-y, otherwise yyyy-mm-dd)
- Switzerland (dd.mm.yyyy)
- Thailand (with Buddhist Era instead of Common Era)
- Trinidad and Tobago
- Turkey
- Ukraine (dd.mm.yyyy)
- United Kingdom
- Uruguay
- Venezuela
unless of course they are trying to make the appearance that the weapons didn't come from Iran..
AndyMarquisLIVE said:Do you care to explain how Iranian weapons are manfactured and timestampted since you're the expert?
hvp05
Methodically disorganized
And you don't need to be a Rhodes Scholar to know that the Iranians could paint anything they want on the rounds and that would not change their origin!forestal said:
Only doofs like yourself who believe everything they are spoonfed are saying, "Gee, it doesn't say 'Made in Iran', so I guess it's not."
AndyMarquisLIVE
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Does our military use that timestamp?forestal said:
Do they use 12hr. also?
itsbob
I bowl overhand
You're still talking about RPG's, these are NOT the weapons the president is talking about.. He's talking about stand mines, anti tank, anti vehicle mines that are set on the side of the road, and using a shaped charge send a jet of molten metal into a target, in this case I think they say the metal chosen is copper. These are distinct weapons to Iran, unlike the RPG that has been in production in many Eastern Bloc, African and other countries since the 50 and 60's and would be near impossible to tell the age or trace it back to it's origin.forestal said:
But thanks for playing.
I think that we are not stupid and its pretty clear that some form of weaponry is coming from Iran or agents of Iran. They captured Iranian commando's running loose in Iraq. Muqtada Al Sadr ran and hid in Iran prior to the US/Iraqi security crackdown in Baghdad. It would be stupid for Iran not to support their little groups of people in Iraq, I mean after all, when the US "leaves" this just makes it that much easier for them to come in and attempt to run things.
I would imagine not just with the date stamps on these items but you also know that they can send the explosives to FBI/ATF labs to determine its origin. They have metallurgists who work for the DOD/FBI/ATF who can determine where the metals are being made using tests. Alot of the things they find in Iraq they are using present day CSI techniques to prove things.... whether its a crime scene to the origin of a piece of evidence. I think people suspected Iranian influence all along since the advent of IED's but now that they are finding devices manufactured in a specific way, this came out of some sort of factory, certainly not a factory in Iraq.
Another thing. Even if someone was to frame Iran, and lets just say that the evidence was planted to start things. And let me guess, the IED's aren't coming from Iran, they are coming from Syria. Or perhaps N. Korea. Like thats any better....
I would imagine not just with the date stamps on these items but you also know that they can send the explosives to FBI/ATF labs to determine its origin. They have metallurgists who work for the DOD/FBI/ATF who can determine where the metals are being made using tests. Alot of the things they find in Iraq they are using present day CSI techniques to prove things.... whether its a crime scene to the origin of a piece of evidence. I think people suspected Iranian influence all along since the advent of IED's but now that they are finding devices manufactured in a specific way, this came out of some sort of factory, certainly not a factory in Iraq.
Another thing. Even if someone was to frame Iran, and lets just say that the evidence was planted to start things. And let me guess, the IED's aren't coming from Iran, they are coming from Syria. Or perhaps N. Korea. Like thats any better....
itsbob
I bowl overhand
Ok, CSI.. I watched it this week.. Friggin hilarious.. Guy gets shot, one of the "CSI's with a .223.. and they say had to be a pistol.. .223 is a pistol cartridge. Halfway through the show they say.. well a .223 COULD be a rifle cartridge too.. they recover 15% of a 22 caliber bullet and MIRACULOUSLY make a match.. and not only a match to type of weapon, a ruger 10/22 (rifled in .223 of course) but from the ballistics they could tell the Ruger had a SCOPE and a BIPOD.. WOW, now that's science right there..protectmd said:
This is like one of those pictures in the comics pages.. there are 8 - 50 things wrong with this, can you find them all??
Depending on the barrel length of the weapon it could be considered a pistol under BATF rules. They are pretty good at determining what kind of weapon fired that bullet...
For example... A rifle would make the bullet have a different effect on the victim than a pistol would. Judging by the bi-pod and the scope, well it would be safe to say that a person was able to steady the shot well and shoot in a particular manner as to such where they were able to place the shot. Thats hard to do at long distances with iron sights? lol.
Regardless... The point is, there are alot of agencies who have been working in Iraq to do good things like help identify the remains that they have found in Haditha where mass gravesites have been found, and archeologists who are helping restore babylon where saddam painted his face all over historic ruins, in addition to restoring power, water, and oil output so that the country may generate revenue to fund a future government.
For example... A rifle would make the bullet have a different effect on the victim than a pistol would. Judging by the bi-pod and the scope, well it would be safe to say that a person was able to steady the shot well and shoot in a particular manner as to such where they were able to place the shot. Thats hard to do at long distances with iron sights? lol.
Regardless... The point is, there are alot of agencies who have been working in Iraq to do good things like help identify the remains that they have found in Haditha where mass gravesites have been found, and archeologists who are helping restore babylon where saddam painted his face all over historic ruins, in addition to restoring power, water, and oil output so that the country may generate revenue to fund a future government.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
protectmd said:Depending on the barrel length of the weapon it could be considered a pistol under BATF rules. They are pretty good at determining what kind of weapon fired that bullet...
For example... A rifle would make the bullet have a different effect on the victim than a pistol would. Judging by the bi-pod and the scope, well it would be safe to say that a person was able to steady the shot well and shoot in a particular manner as to such where they were able to place the shot. Thats hard to do at long distances with iron sights? lol.
Regardless... The point is, there are alot of agencies who have been working in Iraq to do good things like help identify the remains that they have found in Haditha where mass gravesites have been found, and archeologists who are helping restore babylon where saddam painted his face all over historic ruins, in addition to restoring power, water, and oil output so that the country may generate revenue to fund a future government.
And other then MAYBE the TC Contender, how many handguns are rifled in .223??
It was pretty funny, don't like CSI Miami to begin with, and that one just sealed the deal!
forestal
I'm the Boss of Me
Maybe I should clue you in on your mistakes...
I'd like to have one of these....
Kel-Tec PLR-16 Long Range Pistol 223
<img src="http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/kel_plr.jpg"\>
http://www.impactguns.com/store/640832000375.html
I'd like to have one of these....
Kel-Tec PLR-16 Long Range Pistol 223
<img src="http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/kel_plr.jpg"\>
http://www.impactguns.com/store/640832000375.html
itsbob said:
itsbob
I bowl overhand
No, it's not whatever.. you provided fabricated proof of something. He talks of current day anti vehicle mines, and you say he's a liar by showing me an RPG round that has been in production for 40 years.forestal said:
Sucks when you try to force your agenda to the unkowing, and there is someone present that knows what the hell he is talking about.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
Which model RPG does he talk about?. Those are 7's that you keep showing pictures of, and NOT the ones they are discussingforestal said:
This is the RPG 29, that they think IRAN is supplying to Iraq insurgents..
<img src='http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en-commons/thumb/4/40/180px-RPG-29_USGov.JPG'>
There is also the RPG 27, that is VERY similar to our AT-4 that is in question..
<img src='http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/ORD_RPG_27.jpg'>
Next time do some research before you start posting pictures and untruths.. or post where there aren't any people that would know the difference between an RPG and AK 47
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scottrobts
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what sucks is Iran is more then likely proving exaclty what they say they are providing to the Iraqi insurgents. But after the mess in Iraq with the faulty intelligence and the tailored assesments and everything else that has come out about the lead up to the invasion to Iraq, we have totally blown our credibility and no one is willing to believe us that iran is providing arms.