I think it takes a hell of a lot of nerve for drug dealers to complain that cops shot their attack dogs during a police raid. And sue! AND have people who think the cops did something wrong!!!
Federal court rules dogs can be shot if they bark
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I think it takes a hell of a lot of nerve for drug dealers to complain that cops shot their attack dogs during a police raid. And sue! AND have people who think the cops did something wrong!!!
thakidistight
Wanker
The problem here being the police execute search warrants and no knock warrants on the wrong house, all the time. Heck a few days ago in NY they raided the wrong house, arrested innocent people and posted pictures of them on Snapchat with the caption "Merry Christmas, its NYPD". Thank god there werent any dogs in there and no innocent people were killed. Do some research, youll find plenty of raids on the wrong houses. The old "if you dont do anything wrong you dont have anything to worry about" saying is a farce. http://reason.com/blog/2016/12/23/cops-raid-wrong-house-arrest-family-post
and again http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/09/wrong-house-again-swat/
and again http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/09/15/apology-issued-after-officers-raid-wrong-home/
an apology seems fair though, especially after terrorizing a family. But of course its much easier to raid based on some informants info, rather than doing any real police work. Dont ever think it cant happen to you.
and again http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/09/wrong-house-again-swat/
and again http://denver.cbslocal.com/2016/09/15/apology-issued-after-officers-raid-wrong-home/
an apology seems fair though, especially after terrorizing a family. But of course its much easier to raid based on some informants info, rather than doing any real police work. Dont ever think it cant happen to you.
This_person
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If the headline to the story is correct, that dog locked in the bathroom would be ok to shoot. I would not accept that as a reasonable fear until the dog broke the door down. I suspect this ruling is proof the court system would not accept that reasoning, either.
I do. That's why the dog was a clear and present danger to the cops. The property was challenging the human, so the human had the right to shoot.
If the cops were there illegally, or were antagonizing the dog in some way to trigger the reaction, etc., I would be 100% on your side. I'm not so sure of that in this case.
As to the "don't commit crimes" thing, that's not what I'm saying at all. That's why I specifically said that it doesn't matter whether they are guilty of the drug issue that the search warrant is for; it only matters that the police had a valid warrant.
This_person
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Absolutely agree. People make mistakes, it does happen. I'm guessing somewhere around 0.0001% of the warrants issued are to the wrong people when they're no-knock types of things. I'm not sure that should drive the equation as to whether or not the cop, thinking they're at the right house, should not protect themselves or other cops.
Now, if they KNOW they're at the wrong place, and just feel like terrorizing people because they can, and get away with it, well, they should be given a time-out or something
black dog
Free America
Just about everything a dog does is a learned behaviour, of the dog owner allows it to bark and act aggressively it will. If its taught to have good good manners it will.
That's where a huge amount of pet owners fail in owning pets.
black dog
Free America
Hundreds of thousands of search warrants are served in the US every year.
The small amount that have issues is nothing g more than a perceived problem. It just doesn't happen that often.
black dog
Free America
A dog is nothing more than property. It's not a human, as much as some want them to be. It just ain't so.
thakidistight
Wanker
Even one innocent person being killed by a wrong house raid is a huge problem. If it happens, its not a perceived problem, its an actual problem.
According to the lawsuit, before Smoke was shot, a police officer reportedly asked: “Should we do that one, too?” Photos of the scene showed the bathroom door pocked with what appeared to be bullet holes.
“When you’re sitting there, shooting a dog through a closed door, what are you doing?” Olson asked. “Who are you protecting?”
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2016/05/28/dogs-shot/85083662/
https://reason.com/archives/2016/11/15/the-detroit-police-department-is-running/print
According the lawsuit, Smith tried to tell the officers she was putting her dogs away, and placed two in the basement and one in the bathroom. As the officers burst into the house, Debo slipped back upstairs. The officers shot it as it sat down by Smith. Next, they charged into the basement and shot Mama, who was pregnant and backed into a corner. Finally, they moved onto the bathroom, where Smoke was closed in.
One of the officers cracked the door open, peeked inside, and closed it again. "Should we do that one, too?" the officer asked, according to the lawsuit, before two of them fired through the closed door, killing Smoke.
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According to police reports, the third dog charged out of the bathroom toward the officers and was shot.
the dog is in the bathroom by the toilet dead on the floor, it does not to appear to have charged 'out of the bathroom'
This_person
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What was the outcome of shooting the dog in the bathroom? The legal outcome?
Nothing is ever perfect. Like, ever. As long as the statistic is very low, that has to be good enough.
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Sorry to say but it was still the dealers lifestyle that got their dogs killed. If they were law abiding citizens with legal jobs their dogs would be alive today. If they were law abiding citizens with legal jobs and the cops still kicked in their door and killed their dogs then they have a case and are due compensation. I have no sympathy for death dealers and anything bad that happens to them.
LightRoasted
If I may ...
If I may ...
Does this statement include the death dealers that sell "legal" alcohol or "legal" tobacco or any other "legal" vice drug? Because it has the blessing, (read taxable) of those in government?
Does this statement include the death dealers that sell "legal" alcohol or "legal" tobacco or any other "legal" vice drug? Because it has the blessing, (read taxable) of those in government?
No it does not. I have never been robbed by anyone for money so they can buy alcohol or tobacco, I have been robbed by someone because they were going through withdrawals and needed money to buy their heroin and meth. This was at a time when I could not afford to lose the money that I worked for and earned. I have also had my car vandalized because it was mistaken for a drug dealers car who lived in the condo below mine. It was at that point I rallied the neighbors to get him arrested and his grandfather evicted. Alcohol is legal and enjoyed responsibly by millions every day with a small percentage that can't control themselves. The same can't be said for heroin, meth, and crack. A small percentage might be able to use them responsibly but the large majority are junkies. Anyone stupid enough to use one of those three drugs must not care how their life will turn out or if they live at all. Finally they are illegal, it is no secret, they have been illegal for a long time. I have said it before, dealers don't have to deal and users don't have to use but cops have to enforce the laws they have sworn to uphold. If you are going to knowingly break the law I have no sympathy when you have to deal with the consequences of your actions.
black dog
Free America
There is a failure rate with everything we do, Its part of being human.