Feminism & Complementarism in the Church

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Marie

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Here is a talk hosted by Mark Dever (9 Marks Ministries & (CJ Mahaney Sovereign Grace Ministries)) and two other ministers Russell Moore, Randy Stinson. The focus is on feminism and the impact it has had on the church and the home and complementarism.

Almost all churches have been infected / affected by this to various degrees.
Two questions:
How often do you here a sermon on this for correction?
How badly has your church/Home been impacted by it?
Forward as appropriate your minister may appreciate it.

Feminism in Your Church and Home with Russell Moore, Randy Stinson, and C.J. Mahaney
| 5/1/2007
What does Randy Stinson say feminism is? Why does Russ Moore say most members of our churches are in “same sex” marriages? Why does Mark Dever think pastors should pay attention? Why does C.J. Mahaney think Mark needs to make a bigger deal of complementarianism vs. egalitarianism than he does?



9 Marks Interviews 
 
tommyjones

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Marie said:
All

Here is a talk hosted by Mark Dever (9 Marks Ministries & (CJ Mahaney Sovereign Grace Ministries)) and two other ministers Russell Moore, Randy Stinson. The focus is on feminism and the impact it has had on the church and the home and complementarism.

Almost all churches have been infected / affected by this to various degrees.
Two questions:
How often do you here a sermon on this for correction?
How badly has your church/Home been impacted by it?
Forward as appropriate your minister may appreciate it.

Feminism in Your Church and Home with Russell Moore, Randy Stinson, and C.J. Mahaney
| 5/1/2007
What does Randy Stinson say feminism is? Why does Russ Moore say most members of our churches are in “same sex” marriages? Why does Mark Dever think pastors should pay attention? Why does C.J. Mahaney think Mark needs to make a bigger deal of complementarianism vs. egalitarianism than he does?



9 Marks Interviews#
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you are right, now take off those shoes and get back into the kitchen where you belong. ANd you better have the clothes washed when your husband gets home too. :whistle:
 
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Marie

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tommyjones said:
you are right, now take off those shoes and get back into the kitchen where you belong. ANd you better have the clothes washed when your husband gets home too. :whistle:
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LoL,
You know submission goes both ways. :)

1st Peter 3: 7-8
7Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers.

Suffering for Doing Good
8Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble. 9Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing.
 
tommyjones

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Marie said:
LoL,
You know submission goes both ways. :)

1st Peter 3: 7-8
7Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers.

Suffering for Doing Good
8Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble. 9Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing.
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you really cant be as dense as you seem on here.


equality for women does not and should not threaten god
 
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Marie

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tommyjones said:
you really cant be as dense as you seem on here.


equality for women does not and should not threaten god
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I am lost, I am against Feminism in the church, and you agree with that, but then you turn around and call me dense at the same time? Then say it shouldnt threathen God, but what I think you meant is the Biblical authority structure of the church and home which was excatlty the reason for the post. Obviously you did not listen to what I posted.
 
tommyjones

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Marie said:
I am lost, I am against Feminism in the church, and you agree with that, but then you turn around and call me dense at the same time? Then say it shouldnt threathen God, but what I think you meant is the Biblical authority structure of the church and home which was excatlty the reason for the post. Obviously you did not listen to what I posted.
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wow, you really are that dense......

i am all for whatever a woman wants for herself. If she wants to be strong and preach the gospel, then i am all for it.
I dont think that GOD is threatened by strong women
 
Xaquin44

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Marie said:
It has nothing to do with being inferior, its about headship and just as Christ is the head of the church the man is to be head of his home.
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That doesn't make any sense. Just because Jesus was a man doesn't automatically mean men should be in charge.
 
JPC sr

JPC sr

James P. Cusick Sr.
Ferrous Canus, and Stupidus Giganticus.

tommyjones said:
you are right, now take off those shoes and get back into the kitchen where you belong. ANd you better have the clothes washed when your husband gets home too. :whistle:
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:coffee: Just for the record.

I would never say some thing that shallow as quoted above.:whistle:
 
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Xaquin44 said:
That doesn't make any sense. Just because Jesus was a man doesn't automatically mean men should be in charge.
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1 CORINTHIANS 11:3
In 1 Corinthians 11:3, Paul wrote, "Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ and the head of every woman is man, and the head of Christ is God."

EPHESIANS 5:22-23
"Wives submit yourselves to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church." There is no way to get around the fact that the husband's role, as head of the wife is parallel to Christ's role as head of the church. We have already seen that Paul unmistakably identified Christ as the head "over" the church in Ephesians 1:22-23. It would be logical to assume that he did not change the meaning of "head" in 5:22-23. William Hendriksen observed, " . . . he placed ultimate responsibility with respect to the household upon the shoulders of the husband in keeping with the latter's creational endowment." (_New Testament Commentary - Exposition of Ephesians_ p. 248). Hendriksen's conclusion that headship is assigned on the basis of "creational endowment" fits with Paul's statement in 1 Timothy 2:11-13 "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was first formed then Eve." There's something about the order of creation that determines headship. We will discuss the nature of submission at a later time. At this point, we are simply noting that Paul's rationale for headship involves the order of creation. Again, Paul's remarks about headship must be viewed against the background of servant-leadership, which we will also discuss at another time. Within the context of Paul's assertion of the headship of husbands, he instructed them to "love their wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her"(Ephesians 5:25) and to "love their wives as their own bodies" (Ephesians 5:28). The concept of headship does not work apart from submission to Christ. Many men who never consult a Bible otherwise are sometimes fond of citing Ephesians 5:22-23. If they ever bothered to read the rest of the context, they wouldn't be so eager to quote Paul.

A family cannot function without leadership. God has assigned the task of leadership to husbands. Our problems lie more in the realm of the abuse of authority and the misunderstanding of authority than the concept of authority itself. C. S. Lewis once said, "If there must be a head, why the man? Well, firstly, is there any serious wish that it should be a woman? . . . as far as I can see, even a woman who wants to be head of her own house does not usually admire the same state of things when she finds it going on next door. She is much more likely to say, 'Poor Mr. X! Why he allows that appalling woman to boss him about the way she does is more than I can imagine.' I do not think she is even very flattered if anyone mentions the fact of her own 'headship.' There must be something unnatural about the rule of wives over husbands, because wives themselves are half ashamed of it and despise the husbands whom they rule." (_Mere Christianity. pp. 102-103_)

CONCLUSION
Apparently, there are two avenues of reason open to those who attempt to reconcile feminism with Christianity. The first (and most honorable) is to attempt to re-study the text in the light of current social realities. I find it very difficult to treat the text objectively and reach the conclusion that the Bible teaches the contemporary concept of egalitarianism. The second approach is to view the Bible as a sort of "work in progress," a message that constantly shifts to line up with the most recent social trends. Such a view challenges the authoritative message of Scripture, which is our source of knowledge about God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. If the Bible is "the Supreme Court" in these matters, husbands are not to be little "Hitlers" in their homes, but they do have a God given leadership assignment.
 
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tommyjones said:
wow, you really are that dense......

i am all for whatever a woman wants for herself. If she wants to be strong and preach the gospel, then i am all for it.
I dont think that GOD is threatened by strong women
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Well call me dense then.
I'd rather follow Gods word on the subject and surrender to his lordship, and adhear to his standards.
 
JPC sr

JPC sr

James P. Cusick Sr.
Ferrous Canus, and Stupidus Giganticus.

soul4sale said:
Stockholm syndrome? Or just low wattage?
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:diva: Not everyone is brain-washed.

Some people (especially religious persons) live by principles and beliefs.

Seeking power and position are not the qualities that Christianity stands for. :bigwhoop:
 
Pete

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JPC sr said:
:diva: Not everyone is brain-washed.

Some people (especially religious persons) live by principles and beliefs.

Seeking power and position are not the qualities that Christianity stands for. :bigwhoop:
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And yet you run for a powerful position in congress. :confused:
 
2ndAmendment

2ndAmendment

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God created men and women equal but with different roles. It has nothing to do with women working or being only in the home.
 
JPC sr

JPC sr

James P. Cusick Sr.
Ferrous Canus, and Stupidus Giganticus.

Pete said:
And yet you run for a powerful position in congress. :confused:
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:coffee: The difference is that I seek a powerful position out of my sense of duty,

and not from any personal desire for such things.

I am trying to help others and it is not really a benefit to myself.:diva:
 
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