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afjess1989

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So I'm having issues with fleas. Last month I treated my pup with frontline plus it didn't do anything. I was told by a lady that works with the FCR that I could buy the frontline for 50-100 lbs dogs and use .5 ML of the tube on my cats and dogs over 5 lbs and .25 ML for one's that are under 5 lbs.

Well last night I noticed a huge amount of fleas on my dog. So I gave her a bath in dawn dish soap. There were so many fleas that came off her it was unreal. I washed all the blankets and sheets and treated her again with frontline.


Now if this doesn't doesn't work I don't know what to do. Anyone have any suggestions?
 

ICit

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burn the house down...

oohh no wait... that was for spiders...


you really should try something else... Advantage for cats..... and they make advanTAGE for dogs as well PLEASE BE CAREFUL AND DONT GET ADVANTIX AND USE ON THE CATS...


get some cheapo flea collars ...cut them up.. place in them in the vac bag... or if you have bagless... empty outside in a bag and seal it well... you need to do this several times a day....
 

afjess1989

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burn the house down...
oohh no wait... that was for spiders...


you really should try something else... Advantage for cats..... and they make advanTAGE for dogs as well PLEASE BE CAREFUL AND DONT GET ADVANTIX AND USE ON THE CATS...


get some cheapo flea collars ...cut them up.. place in them in the vac bag... or if you have bagless... empty outside in a bag and seal it well... you need to do this several times a day....

I have hardwood floors. And I'll pick some up. When should I apply it? I just put the frontline on ger last night. When I bought the frontline I swear it only worked once because the cats were shaking them off and they were dying.
 

sm8

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Have you tried the chewable ones for fleas? Then you do not have to worry if it was put on right, I was always worried it got more on the hair than the skin.
 

ICit

Jam out with ur clam out
I have hardwood floors. And I'll pick some up. When should I apply it? I just put the frontline on ger last night. When I bought the frontline I swear it only worked once because the cats were shaking them off and they were dying.

you are looking at least 3 weeks
 

ICit

Jam out with ur clam out
Flea Control
Fleas are the most common external parasite of companion animals. Flea allergy dermatitis is the most common skin disease of dogs and cats! Flea control has always been a challenge for veterinarians and pet owners because the adult fleas cause the clinical signs, yet the majority of the flea population (eggs, larvae and pupae) are to be found off the pet in and around the home. The ideal flea control program utilizes products that target the various stages of the flea life cycle, not only the adult fleas on the pet. In order to help you to select the most appropriate products to achieve a flea-free existence for an allergic pet, we will start by telling you about the life cycle of the flea.

The Life Cycle of the Flea: Ctenocephalides felis

Eggs are laid in the hair coat and are designed to fall off the host. They are resistant to insecticides, but susceptible to various insect growth regulators. Larvae develop in the host’s environment and feed on adult flea feces (blood) that fall out of the hair coat of the pet. Larvae are susceptible to traditional insecticides, borates and insect growth regulators. Larvae eventually spin cocoons (often within carpet fibers) for pupation. Pupae are resistant to freezing, desiccation, and insecticides. Pupae can lie dormant for many months; they are stimulated to expupate as emergent adults by vibration, warming and increased carbon dioxide. Normally, expupation occurs when a host is near and the new flea finds the pet within seconds of emergence. Emergent fleas are fairly mobile and can survive a few days without a host, if in a suitable environment. New fleas begin feeding within hours of finding a dog or cat. Once a blood meal has been taken, the flea can survive only a short time if it is dislodged from the host. New fleas experience very high mortality on healthy adult hosts. Most fleas do not survive 72 hours on an animal that is itching and able to groom itself.

Unfortunately, limited egg production does occur even on allergic animals. The entire life cycle of C. felis can be completed in as few as 16 days!
 

ICit

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Today’s Flea Control Products

Today, veterinarians have some great flea control products in our arsenal. There are now several highly efficacious, long lasting and very safe new products to choose amongst.

Program® and Sentinel® (Lufenuron) from Novartis
These prescription drugs are available as a once a month flavored chewable (soy and pork) pill or oral liquid suspension to be given with a full meal. Female fleas that feed on pets treated with lufenuron produce sterile eggs. The product does not kill adult fleas. It is a very easy way to break the life cycle but pets remain fully susceptible to the emergence of any fleas from pupa already present in the environment. Therefore, 4 to 7 months may pass before the flea free state is reached. In order to stop the life cycle, every animal in the patient’s environment must receive lufenuron or another insect growth regulator. Pets should be treated for fleas with an adult flea-killing product during the first few weeks of starting Program®.

Nylar® (Pyriproxifen)
This is a relatively new insect growth regulator that is extremely effective against flea eggs. It remains 100% effective for 150 days after a single spray application! It is an excellent option in cases when Program® may be too expensive because of a multiple pet household or in situations where Program® is ineffective. It is presently available as a spray on and as a drip on in combination with permethrin for dogs and a spray with pyrethrins for cats and is included in the new product line, Vectra®. Environmental foggers and sprays are also being marketed and many professionals use this chemical for home treatments.

Advantage® (imidacloprid), K9 Advantix® (with permethrin), Advantage Multi® (with moxidectin) from Bayer
These products are available as a spot ons for either dogs or cats. Advantage Multi® is a prescription drug that also is a heartworm preventive. Advantage® seems to be very well tolerated by sensitive cats. It provides flea knockdown in about 8 hours. 100% killing can be maintained for at least two weeks. It is susceptible to wash off, therefore outdoor active dogs and dogs that swim or that must be bathed because of dermatitis must be re treated frequently. (Weekly re treatment is allowed with Advantage only®). Imidacloprid has no efficacy against ticks, but K-9Advantix®, with permethrin does. K9 Advantix is only labeled for once a month, and ONLY FOR DOGS.

Frontline® Spray, Frontline Plus® and Frontline Top Spot® (fipronil) from Merial
Fipronil is a broad spectrum insecticide available as a spray or a drip-on. Fipronil binds chemically to the hair and is absorbed through the hair follicle by the sebaceous glands. In spray formulation fipronil may kill fleas at 95% for up to 30 days after application on dogs and stands up to biweekly bathing. It is labeled for puppies and kittens of 8 weeks (10 weeks for Top Spot®). It is also affective against ticks. The major problem with the spray is the high volume of alcohol based product that must be applied. Many cats will show minor adverse reactions with this application technique. The product is labeled to be applied no more than once a month. Frontline Plus® contains the insect growth regulator, S-methoprene and so provides control of eggs and adult fleas.

Revolution® (selamectin) from Pfizer
This prescription drug is designed as a once-a-month heartworm preventive and flea preventive for dogs and cats as young as 6 weeks old. It also kills adult fleas and can be used to treat sarcoptic mange, ear mites and ticks. It also helps control roundworms and hookworms in cats. The product is placed on the skin at the back of the neck, but is absorbed into the body to have its effect when female fleas ingest it with a blood meal. Adult fleas will die slowly, but more importantly, female fleas stop egg production as soon as they are exposed. It is most useful as a preventive for flea infestation and in the presence of a flea problem in an allergic pet, but it is an excellent flea control product for cats.

Capstar® (nitenpyram) from Novartis
This is a prescription tablet for dogs and cats as young as 4 weeks of age. It offers extremely rapid and complete killing of adult fleas on the pets after administration. It is safe enough that the tablets may be used as needed, as often as once per day, whenever you see fleas on your pet. This is designed to be used in combination with an insect growth regulator to knock out fleas when these slower products are being used for long-term control. It can also be used when the pet has visited a flea-infested environment for rapid protection. When given every-other-day, it is a useful flea control for single cat households.

Comfortis ®for Dogs (spinosad) from Elanco Animal Health Division of Eli Lilly
This monthly prescription tablet for fleas represents a completely new class of drugs in flea control. It is available for use on puppies and dogs 14 weeks of age or older and is available in 5 different sized flavored (soy and pork) chewable tablets. It is meant to be used once a month and preliminary results show it will be very useful for flea allergic pets as it has a rapid kill rate.

Promeris for Cats® (metaflumizone) from Fort Dodge
This product is a spot-on application that causes fleas to cease feeding, become paralyzed, and die within 48 hours. It binds to hair and skin surface, and so will stand up to some shampooing. It can be administered at 4 to 6 week intervals. Do not use on kittens under 8 weeks of age. Do not allow animals to groom each other following application. Product may produce a local, temporary, oily appearance and clumping or spiking of the hair at the application site and the volume of application is rather large as disadvantages. However, it represents another completely new class of insecticides for flea control so will be useful where fleas have become resistant.

Promeris Duo for Dogs® (metaflumizone/amitraz) from Fort Dodge
This product is a spot-on application that causes fleas to cease feeding, become paralyzed, and die within 48 hours. The addition of amitraz provides efficacy against ticks and some mites. It should be administered monthly for optimal control of flea and tick infestations. The product remains effective if the animal becomes wet. However, prolonged, intense exposure to water should be avoided. This product prevents flea infestation for up to 6 weeks and tick infestation for 4 weeks. Do not use on puppies under 8 weeks of age. Do not administer to cats, sick or debilitated dogs or animals suffering from heat stress. Do not administer to pregnant and lactating animals. This product represents another completely new class of insecticides for flea control so will be useful where fleas have become resistant.

Vectra 3-D for Dogs® (dinotefuran, permethrin, pyriproxifen) from Summit Vet Pharm
This product is a monthly spot-on application for flea, tick and mosquito control with an insect growth regulator. It provides long-lasting repellent, and is a fast acting adult flea killer that also provides control for the egg stage of the flea for at least 30 days. Permethrin is added to provide tick control and as a repellant. Pyriproxifen (Nylar) is added for flea egg control (See above.) Water and shampooing lowers efficacy after 14 days. Do not use on cats (because of the high concentration of permethrin). This product is fast-acting and should be very useful for households with flea allergy patients.

Vectra for Cats® (dinotefuran, pyriproxifen) from Summit Vet Pharm
This product is not on market currently, but soon to be introduced.

About Traditional Insecticides / Over-the-Counter Flea Control Products

Several adulticide insecticides or shampoos are available and some have insect growth regulators such as s-methoprene included. Shampoos are less effective than sprays, dips or spot ons because they have little residual activity. For cats, pyrethrins as sprays or foaming mousses may useful for safe, quick knock-down of fleas. For dogs, permethrin sprays or spot-on products with methoprene or Nylar may be effective, but cats MUST NOT BE EXPOSED directly or indirectly to permethrin products. There is some resistance in fleas to permethrin products now documented. Over-the-counter products with etofenprox and S-methoprene can be used with some caution in cats and may be effective in some settings but are not fast enough for good results in flea allergy.

Options for your Pet

Frontline®. Once a month. 1 2 pumps/lb of the 250 ml bottle or 3 6 pumps/lb of the 100 ml bottle. Wear gloves to apply. Ensure that the hair coat is completely wetted. Do not bathe for 48 hours after application.

Frontline Plus®. Once a month. Dispensed according to weight -- one vial against the skin between the shoulder blades. For dogs over 88 pounds, use combinations of weights and two vials per treatment. Wear gloves to apply.

Advantage®. Once a week to once a month. Dispensed according to weight. Contents of one or two vials against the skin between the shoulder blades. Repeat application after each bath up to once a week.

Revolution® Dispensed according to weight. Contents of one or two vials against the skin between the shoulder blades once a month.

Program® or Sentinel®. Once a month pill/vial for each animal in the household.

Capstar®. Every other day to once a week pill to be combined with Program or Sentinel or for use when flea exposure is anticipated

Comfortis ®for Dogs. Once a month pill. Dispensed according to weight.

Promeris for Cats®. Administered at 4 to 6 week intervals. Dispensed according to weight.

Promeris DUO for Dogs®. Administered at 4 to 6 week intervals. Dispensed according to weight.

Vectra 3D for Dogs®. Once a month. Dispensed according to weight.

Vectra 3D for cats® Not yet available.
 

afjess1989

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So I did some research. I found out that if you mix 1 tablespoon of dawn with 16.oz it's like a flea killer.
 

afjess1989

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Have you tried the chewable ones for fleas? Then you do not have to worry if it was put on right, I was always worried it got more on the hair than the skin.

I wasnt aware they had something like that. Does it work?
 

Radiant1

Soul Probe
From my experience FrontLine just doesn't work anymore on the dogs or cat. It's as if the fleas became immune to it a couple years ago. I now use Advantix for the dog and Advantage for the cat, which seems to be working fine.
 

Roman

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When Front Line first came out years ago, it was great! Now I think Fleas are immune to it. I use K-9 Advantix II for the Dogs, and put it on them at night before they go in to their Kennel, so that the Cats aren't around them when it's still wet. For the Cats, I use Advantage II. They work great. Place bowls of dawn Dish Liquid under furniture, and see if this works for the house problem around the house. You might want to go to your Vet to get some bombs for your house, or call an Exterminator.
 

ICit

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capstar will kill the alive fleas on them for that day!!! good way to start out.... and then apply a topical.

remember to never apply a topical right after you wash your pet... it takes SEVERAL days for the fur to really dry.
 

Radiant1

Soul Probe
remember to never apply a topical right after you wash your pet... it takes SEVERAL days for the fur to really dry.

Does that pertain to all dogs? My border collie has a double coat so he takes forever to dry, but it seems my lab dries right up no problem. :shrug:
 

garyt27

INAFJ
An old remedy for fleas in the house: Put candles in bowls fill halfway with vinegar set bowls on floor light candles. do this at night fleas jump to the light fall in vinegar and die, die you bastards.
 

Dukesdad

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An old remedy for fleas in the house: Put candles in bowls fill halfway with vinegar set bowls on floor light candles. do this at night fleas jump to the light fall in vinegar and die, die you bastards.

This but use a single clear 7 watt light bulb. Works great and will draw them in from all over the room and not burn down the house
 

afjess1989

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Well I guess I'm gonna flea bomb the house. All this damn rain has pushed the ants and the sliders inside too. I had the ants under control. It doesn't help that I'm in the woods too.
 
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