DEEKAYPEE8569
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Does the Navy Yard shooting that claimed at least 13 lives in Washington make you more likely to support tougher gun laws?
For Or Against Tougher Gun Laws?
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Nope...dude bought a shotgun fair and square and he modified it..and shot the guard and took his firearm....where in this would tougher gun laws make a difference?
He had a clearance...so what good would a background check do?
If a bad guy wants to get a gun..he will...and one gun law or a million gun laws will not stop them.
Navy Yard: A lot of cracks in the system allowed this to happen...
Heck TSA runs a tighter security check!!! Same thing with our courthouses...
Dont know what the answer is, or the civil balance between an open gate system or a TSA/Airport style.
But I really doubt tougher gun laws are the answer....Too many illegal guns all ready out there, and you can get one if the price is right!
Let's not forget the market for homemade bombs..how do you regulate them once you take ALL the guns away?
If someone wants to kill...they will find a way.
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Roman
Active Member
Nope!
HollyRockJT
Jus Chillin...
Laws don't stop criminals and idiots from doing what they want/plan to do. It only hurts those already following.
Railroad
Routinely Derailed
Really, I think that the respondents which would use the WNY thing as a reason to support stricter laws, etc., already had their minds made up on the issue, and each crime involving firearms adds to their case. Crimes involving all other potentially deadly weapons are ignored because there's no lobby in progress, no political platform worthy of national attention, which cites those devices and those who misuse them. Automobiles, trucks, and aircraft are all deadly weapons when misused. No lobby out there for tighter laws regarding them. And, good point about homemade bombs. Potentially much more lethal than a 20-round magazine fired from a fully automatic weapon.
That's it! We need tighter laws regarding plumbing parts, electronic components, batteries, fertilizer, kerosene, and quite a few other potential elements of an IED. I say we should regulate the hell out of everything and everybody - but keep sending our young and bright military into foreign locales to live and die by violent means. 
That's it! We need tighter laws regarding plumbing parts, electronic components, batteries, fertilizer, kerosene, and quite a few other potential elements of an IED. I say we should regulate the hell out of everything and everybody - but keep sending our young and bright military into foreign locales to live and die by violent means. USWWarrior
It's a Jeep thang!
I find it amazing how making strict gun laws are to keep dangerous people from getting guns. Show me the data with todays current registration requirements have denied sales to "dangerous people".
Statisitcs prove, cities with stricter gun laws have higher gun related crime.
This horrendous act was done by a shotgun and a stolen weapon.
Instead of worthless new laws to appease the "emotion of the moment" lets find a real solution to the problem.
Foxhound
Finishing last
Since there are no absolutes, I will say the trend seems to be the states with higher percentages of gun owners, have lower rates of murders with guns, with a few rather interesting exceptions. Like Hawaii who has both a low gun ownership and gun murder rate.
Looking at things, it seems to me, having lawful citizens that are not allowed to own guns makes it safer the for those who wish to do harm to the law abiding citizens.
Many of the places with the strictest gun laws have the higher gun violence rates.
The laws that are already there are not enforced adequately to make them effective. More laws which cannot be properly enforce will have little to no effect.
Rallying for stricter gun laws does nothing but mollify the drooling masses that devour the swill the mass media force feeds them on a daily basis, and increase the chances a criminal will not be able to be thwarted.
Looking at things, it seems to me, having lawful citizens that are not allowed to own guns makes it safer the for those who wish to do harm to the law abiding citizens.
Many of the places with the strictest gun laws have the higher gun violence rates.
The laws that are already there are not enforced adequately to make them effective. More laws which cannot be properly enforce will have little to no effect.
Rallying for stricter gun laws does nothing but mollify the drooling masses that devour the swill the mass media force feeds them on a daily basis, and increase the chances a criminal will not be able to be thwarted.
gary_webb
Damned glad to meet you
Most of these shooters are otherwise productive members of society who for some reason or another have been pushed and pushed until they find themselves over the edge and think this is their only way out. More focus needs to be put on mental health issues without branding the person as a nut case and deemed unemployable for the rest of their lives just because they sought help.
I myself, and most of you too, would refrain from psychological treatment for fear that we will be ostricized and branded defective. Meanwhile the pressure builds and builds until eventually the powder keg blows.
How in the hell is any gun law going to stop this cycle?
Forget guns, does anyone remember Timothy McVeigh?
I myself, and most of you too, would refrain from psychological treatment for fear that we will be ostricized and branded defective. Meanwhile the pressure builds and builds until eventually the powder keg blows.
How in the hell is any gun law going to stop this cycle?
Forget guns, does anyone remember Timothy McVeigh?
Foxhound
Finishing last
not sure what the deal was, I did some contact work on the NMCI Project @ the Navy Annex, we had to get our bags scanned And walk through a metal detector ..... this was in 2002 ?
Pete
Repete
McVeigh like the Boston bombers and Ft Hood terrorist were ideologs with an agenda and purposeful intent to commit mass murder. IMO they should not be mixed in with the shooters at the Navy yard, Va Tech shooter, Denver movie theater and Sandy Hook and the dozen or so other work place shootings who were certifiable nut jobs unable to cope with what "normal people" deal with daily.
That said I see your point, it would deter people from seeking help for mental issues. Question is though how many people with mental issues 1. Care about or even think about access to firearms being denied when seeking help? and 2. If disturbed enough would not seek and illegal weapon if denied or use a car, bomb or other device?
SoMDGirl42
Well-Known Member
What good are tougher gun laws going to do? Keep guns away from normal everyday people who want a gun. The criminals are still going to get them.
Drugs are illegal. The only people that care about legalizing drugs are those that do them.
Why don't we illegalize manners and empathy and sympathy. Maybe more people would use them then.
Drugs are illegal. The only people that care about legalizing drugs are those that do them.
Why don't we illegalize manners and empathy and sympathy. Maybe more people would use them then.
gary_webb
Damned glad to meet you
I respect your opinion but I would counter that the Navy yard, Va Tech shooter, Denver movie theater and Sandy Hook shooters did have an agenda and did purposefully intended to commit mass murder. They weren't born that way and their actions were the culmination of years and years of indifference and abuse by non-caring "normal people". Perhaps being labeled nut jobs would qualify as one of those abuses.
aps45819
24/7 Single Dad
I support much tougher laws.
Every body should be allowed to carry any weapon they want any where they want and if you don't like it.....
.... that's tough
Foxhound
Finishing last
See I would go the other route here, in that, McVeigh like the Boston bombers and Ft Hood terrorist, all were certifiable nut jobs unable to cope with what "normal people" deal with daily, and just vented in a more organized and focused manner, putting a label, or fixing a target for their mayhem.
