forced acceptance of homosexuality.

[bcp]

so what if they pay taxes?

the point is they offer a service and are denying said service for unacceptable reasons. Simply because you don't like/approve of someone, doesn't give you automatic grounds to refuse them.

This has been pointed out sevreal times in this thread.

unacceptable to who? you?

 

[This_person]

All I am saying is that the community has the right to tell them, as a condition of being able to do business there, that they may not refuse service for personal reasons.

So, every bar I've ever been in with the sign "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" is violating some business standard if they exercise that right? If I go to a restaraunt with a dress code, I can sue for discrimination of the tie-less?

 

[This_person]

so what if they pay taxes?

the point is they offer a service and are denying said service for unacceptable reasons. Simply because you don't like/approve of someone, doesn't give you automatic grounds to refuse them.

This has been pointed out sevreal times in this thread.

Unacceptable to you maybe, but not to them.

This is the key. The doctor's right of refusal is what is lost. The patient never lost the ability to be inseminated (clearly, since she was).

 

[Larry Gude]

I must have...

By your logic, you must provide me with any and every flower I desire, no matter how little profit you make or how difficult it is to provide. The grocery store must provide me with each and every food item from each and every manufacturer that I desire, because they advertise that they have a great selection. If I don't deem it "great", they are discriminating against me for my taste in food, and it's Selma all over again!

...missed how she wasn't willing to pay their price and I must have missed their argument that lesbians are harder to artificially inseminate.

Congratulations! You've just made the most absurd assertion in this thread yet and that is saying something.

 

[Larry Gude]

Had...

So, every bar I've ever been in with the sign "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" is violating some business standard if they exercise that right? If I go to a restaraunt with a dress code, I can sue for discrimination of the tie-less?

...I only waited...keep going. I'm curious how far you can go with this.

 

[This_person]

...missed how she wasn't willing to pay their price and I must have missed their argument that lesbians are harder to artificially inseminate.

Congratulations! You've just made the most absurd assertion in this thread yet and that is saying something.

The comparison is that you would (presumably) like a profit, just as the doctor clearly wants to not inseminate a lesbian.

I was speaking of your choice as a business owner. I'm sorry, I'll try and make my comparisons more clear from now on.

 

[This_person]

...I only waited...keep going. I'm curious how far you can go with this.

And, your answer to the questions?

 

[Larry Gude]

Allow...

The comparison is that you would (presumably) like a profit, just as the doctor clearly wants to not inseminate a lesbian.

I was speaking of your choice as a business owner. I'm sorry, I'll try and make my comparisons more clear from now on.

...me to be perfectly clear; Lesbians, gays, transgender, straight, rednecks, snobs, bigots, hatemongers, hippies, Muslims, all faiths; if you are a stand-up person, fair to deal with, meet my price and terms and conditions and your money is good, I am more than happy to sell you every last flower I grow. Hurry. I'm about to commit my entire space for next spring.

I will not, however, inseminate you, artificially or otherwise. And I don't serve alcohol though I'd be happy to buy you a drink to discuss where it is, exactly, that the bible forbids artificial insemination of lesbians.

 

[Merlin99]

...why this keeps going on. The points of view are set; One said says you should be able to refuse service anyone you want, period, for any reason, end of story. The other side says you have to conform to what the community wants as long as it conforms to the constitution.

End of story.

Because I am not so wedded to my view that I could nod be convinced to change it. I just can't get past this public / private issue

 

[Xaquin44]

why do people keep saying 'hur hur I gues everywhere has to sell everything or ur discriminating lollerskate hur hur'

That isn't the argument or the case ....

every establishment can't sell everything .... that would be physicaly impossible.

However, selling something you do have or provide shouldn't be an issue ....

 

[This_person]

...me to be perfectly clear; Lesbians, gays, transgender, straight, rednecks, snobs, bigots, hatemongers, hippies, Muslims, all faiths; if you are a stand-up person, fair to deal with, meet my price and terms and conditions and your money is good, I am more than happy to sell you every last flower I grow. Hurry. I'm about to commit my entire space for next spring.

Well, what's a "stand-up person"? To this doctor, a lesbian is not one, apparently. Either way, what you say is great - you choose to service anyone. As a private practitioner, this doctor chooses not to just service anyone, but to pick and choose their patients. And, they should have that right.

I will not, however, inseminate you, artificially or otherwise. And I don't serve alcohol though I'd be happy to buy you a drink to discuss where it is, exactly, that the bible forbids artificial insemination of lesbians.

I don't know that it does There are certainly mentions of having problems with homosexuality - but, from my reading, the only things really mentioned are about male-male, not female-female. **Be careful offering that drink though. I may take you up on it**

However, whether the Bible says so or not is really not the point whatsoever. The doctor either does or does not have the right to pick and choose their patients for elective medicine. IMO, they should/do. In your opinion, they do not. I don't understand your opinion, personally. However, I think you (mis)undertand my opinion to be bigotted. It is not. I don't care if they just want to limit their practice to two a week, with no regard as to who doesn't get served. IMO, how they run their business, provided they don't intentionally inflict harm on others, is their business.

 

[This_person]

why do people keep saying 'hur hur I gues everywhere has to sell everything or ur discriminating lollerskate hur hur'

That isn't the argument or the case ....

every establishment can't sell everything .... that would be physicaly impossible.

However, selling something you do have or provide shouldn't be an issue ....

Outside of you, I don't see anyone saying every establishment should sell everything. Piss-poor reading skills on your part?

However, I've said that it would imply that the Elks are discriminatory, as are the Moose. As is the NAACP. As is any scholarship that has any requirement of race, ethnicity, gender, grades, timing, etc., etc. The Daughters of the American Revolution, all Afirmative Action programs and policies, American Indian reservations..... all discriminatory.

Or, not.

 

[Larry Gude]

That's...

Because I am not so wedded to my view that I could nod be convinced to change it. I just can't get past this public / private issue

...fine, and as it should be; your view. If the ruling holds, I expect you'll be fine with it and not willing to run to the barricades over it and if it's over turned I'll be fine with it and not on my way to war over this.

Nice thing about decisions, abaout making an argument; we win some. We lose some. That's why we vote and why we have checks and balances.

 

[ImnoMensa]

I think it would be pretty stupid to go to a person I knew beforehand was biased against me.

It would be a bit like going to a Lesbian prostitute.

 

[Xaquin44]

I think it would be pretty stupid to go to a person I knew beforehand was biased against me.

It would be a bit like going to a Lesbian prostitute.

agreed .... which is what leads me to think she didn't know.

 

[Vince]

agreed .... which is what leads me to think she didn't know.

BIG She knew exactly what she was doing. She got her lawsuit, got her money, had her baby at no cost with money left. Sorry but this was all about the money and nothing else. Just a BIG FAT EFFING guess on my part. Believe what ever you want.

 

[Larry Gude]

Well...

I think it would be pretty stupid to go to a person I knew beforehand was biased against me.

It would be a bit like going to a Lesbian prostitute.

...do tell how that went.

Did you get pissed? Threaten to sue?

 

[Xaquin44]

BIG She knew exactly what she was doing. She got her lawsuit, got her money, had her baby at no cost with money left. Sorry but this was all about the money and nothing else. Just a BIG FAT EFFING guess on my part. Believe what ever you want.

and you know this how?

I suppose you can tell what a person will or won't do just by looking at them?

Exactly how was this woman to know that this guys beliefs would create a situation where he would refuse a service that he advertised doing?

I think I said something to this effect before, but was there a sign on the door that said "Dr. Whoever: NO LESBOS" or did it just say "Dr. Whoever: P.H.D."?

I bet I can tell you.

 

[Vince]

and you know this how?
I suppose you can tell what a person will or won't do just by looking at them?

Exactly how was this woman to know that this guys beliefs would create a situation where he would refuse a service that he advertised doing?

I think I said something to this effect before, but was there a sign on the door that said "Dr. Whoever: NO LESBOS" or did it just say "Dr. Whoever: P.H.D."?

I bet I can tell you.

Let's see, what part about "BIG FAT EFFING guess" didn't you understand or is English your second language? And I didn't even read the rest of your post because you are not worth reading.

 

[bcp]

Doesnt matter, this is no different than stating Abortion is bad (because its a child) but i could live with Aborting the aftermath of a Rape (its still a child).

If you feel you can not treat someoen based on your Religious beliefs, then why would you treat them during life and death? what is the difference, as far as the argument is concerned? there is none

Your argument fails becaue your willing to set your beliefs aside during specific circumstances.

your argument fails because you are talking out your ass and have no idea who I am.

but lets not allow such things as this to get in your way of reason.