Full SSD
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BlackKnight
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Yeah, I've also been looking at QNap's too. This was one of the ones I was looking at:
QNAP Systems, Inc. ( TS-419P+ Turbo NAS ) - Quality Network Appliance Provider
QNAP Systems, Inc. ( TS-419P+ Turbo NAS ) - Quality Network Appliance Provider
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EmptyTimCup
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BlackKnight
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Which model do you have?
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EmptyTimCup
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I don't, I want one however
BlackKnight
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Ah ok. I will be getting a NAS within the next few months so I'll let you know what I pick. Let me know if you get one too.
jrt_ms1995
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Delete some porn? :shrug: I know it's not the best option but sometimes you just gotta do it!
BlackKnight
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haha nice.
BOP
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Porn more than a couple of years old looks "quaint" at best, and one often wonders what one saw in it.
Er, so I've heard, anyway.
Mongo53
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Ummm, thats almost a contradiction. You just have to be careful, you adopt technology earlier than it ready for someone of your level technical skills.
Unfortunately, SSD's have been coming along, but they and Windows are NOT there yet, that they are ready for folks that don't know about the inner workings of the OS and how to move around the files and directories and still make them work in Windows.
Sadly, Windows 7 sets itself up to work from a single drive, and to try to spread a lot of the defualt folders to another drive creates problems, you need to be an expert in Windows to be able to figure out how to solve all these problems you will encounter.
Windows 7 does has good support for SSD's, but where they fall short, they need a Wizard or Some Tool that makes it easy to relocate files and directories between two drives, without harming Windows Operations, including some indicator as to how to do it wisely so that it optimizes system performance.
I just back everything up, and do a clean install of Windows 7. That way you don't end up with lots of files on the system drive, that you don't know if you can move or delete or NOT.
I've just starting experimenting with a 64GB Crucial SSD and Windows 7 64bit. I installed Windows Clean on the SSD, I used a guide I found online on how to move the "Program Files, Program Files (x86), Program Data and User Files" folders to my 2nd Disc Drive. The only way I found to do this easily, completely and work the best with windows is, very generally:
- At the end of the install, when you log in for the first time, before logging in, you use shortcut keys to open a DOS Window.
- Then use DOS Commands, from the guide, to "RoboCopy" the brand new created folders to the 2nd drive (RoboCopy creates a mirror image of the folder).
- Then use DOS Commands to Deletree to remove the original folders from the SSD.
- Then use DOS Commands to make a redirect Link for each of the folders you move (the redirect link will sit on the SSD, act to make Windows think those folders are really there, but in reality they are on the 2nd SSD drive and taking up space there.
- Then use DOS commands to open Regedit, to edit the Registery and change a few keys to change the defualt location for those folders to the D: drive (NOT really necessary, the redirect link can do it all on its own, but it doesn't hurt to have Windows understand the installations and defualt saves are going to the real drive they will be placed, when it can.)
- The Program Data folder will have some undeletable cache files in it, so the Deletetree and redirect link creation will fail (can create a redirect link for a folder on the same drive that a folder of the same name exists). This isn't a problem, the next reboot, the cached files will NOT be undeletable, you can finish the deletetree and redirect link then, reboot one more time and have all those folders set up to run perfectly on the 2nd Disc Drive.
BTW, do you have Windows Explorer setup to show hidden Files and Folders? The Program Data folder is a big one, that you can move to the 2nd disc drive, but its difficult after all the programs have been installed. Following my guide above, you can move all of the Users Folders to the 2nd drive, NOT just individual log-ons.
BlackKnight
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Hey, thanks for your post. To quickly answer your question, I do have hidden files shown. I haven't done a clean install in quite some time, so its probably time to do so. I'd love to see the guide if you're able to find it. Also, the whats a swap file comment, I'm an idiot, I know what Virtual Memory is and how its used, I'm just used to hearing it called pagefile or virtual memory. I wasnt thinking.
Thanks again!
Thanks again!
Mongo53
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Oh and NAS, many of them are slow and even the fastest is NOT as fast as server, at least from what I've read.
If you've got an old computer, or old part laying around from upgrades that you can cobble together to make a computer, consider setting up a file server and plugging it into your network. Any Windows Computers can be set up to be a file server, for a long time I had an old Windows 98 computer running as my file server. I experimented with free Linux Server software, it was OK, but I just didn't have time or the inclination to learn Linux well enough for it to be practicle.
I ran Beta's of Windows Home Server (WHS), that was nice, but the Beta ran out. I'm currently running the Beta's of WHS v2 (Vail), you need a 64bit processor for the later version, I had to buy a cheap mobo and processor to upgrade to use the Beta. I love it, but MS just got rid of the drive extender feature, that everyone loved. It combined all your drives into one JBOD array, and you had an option to mirror every file and it would distribute the mirrors amoungst the drives, so you never lose a file to a bad drive. BUT, of course mirroring the files, like a raid 1 drive, takes up twice as much space.
WHS, MS is only half-hearted about it, they limit it to OEM's, so unless you buy one of the hardware WHS from a couple of big computer manufacturers out there, you're stuck with buying an OEM disc online or downloading and using a BETA version, which is a lmited amount of time of use.
WHS with a Gigabit Network, file transfers are blazing fast, I watch movies from the server, I install software from the server, etc.
If you've got an old computer, or old part laying around from upgrades that you can cobble together to make a computer, consider setting up a file server and plugging it into your network. Any Windows Computers can be set up to be a file server, for a long time I had an old Windows 98 computer running as my file server. I experimented with free Linux Server software, it was OK, but I just didn't have time or the inclination to learn Linux well enough for it to be practicle.
I ran Beta's of Windows Home Server (WHS), that was nice, but the Beta ran out. I'm currently running the Beta's of WHS v2 (Vail), you need a 64bit processor for the later version, I had to buy a cheap mobo and processor to upgrade to use the Beta. I love it, but MS just got rid of the drive extender feature, that everyone loved. It combined all your drives into one JBOD array, and you had an option to mirror every file and it would distribute the mirrors amoungst the drives, so you never lose a file to a bad drive. BUT, of course mirroring the files, like a raid 1 drive, takes up twice as much space.
WHS, MS is only half-hearted about it, they limit it to OEM's, so unless you buy one of the hardware WHS from a couple of big computer manufacturers out there, you're stuck with buying an OEM disc online or downloading and using a BETA version, which is a lmited amount of time of use.
WHS with a Gigabit Network, file transfers are blazing fast, I watch movies from the server, I install software from the server, etc.
Mongo53
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Yea, my first couple of days getting Windows 7 64bit setup with a SSD, I started to think I bit off more than I could chew.
IMO, they are close for SSD's being ready for primetime, but NOT yet. They really need a tool or wizard for Windows that will spread the OS defualt folders amoungst 2 drives. Right now, you have to be an expert or very good with lots of research and guides walking you through how to do it.
Even though I got it set up real well now, I still know it could be better, I just don't know enough about windows to undertake such an effort. There are files on the disc drive, that would improve system performance greatly if I could move them to the SSD, and files in the Windows Directory that would be better off freeing up space and run from the 2nd disc drive. But, thats past my level to setup.
Right now, I think I have it licked, my SSD system drive is holding steady at about 29-30 GB of spaced used of 59GB available. After going through a lot of experimenting and setting it up properly, it now runs seemlessly, I never have to do anything different than if I had set up Windows on a single drive, other than seeing I have 2 drives available. Even if I screw up or the install does it without asking me, and installs to the system drive, it really gets installed on the 2nd disc drive and Windows can't tell the difference and thinks its on the system drive. I've installed tons of programs and data files, its even the family computer and the rest of the family, that is clueless on computers have been using it and NOT noticing a difference, other than how much faster it is.
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Mongo53
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http://tuts4tech.net/2009/08/05/win...m-files-directories-to-a-different-partition/
The 4 directories I moved to the D:/ drive.
The guide only shows 3 of the 4 of the directories I moved, but its pretty simple, just repeat the steps for the additional directories you want to move.
This is designed to do just as your installing windows, you try to do it on an existing install or after you create the first user account on a new install and you'll have problems. I've tried it, the Robocopy and rmdir fail because you will have protected files in the directories.
Like I said before, and its in the guide, you'll run into minor problems with the "ProgramData" director, because it will have a 5 or 6 cache files in it. BUT, NOT to worry, after rebooting repeat the rmdir and mklink and it will work because the 5-6 cache files are no longer protected. Everything else is moved.
Again, if its on an existing install or after you create that first user account and log in, there will be hundreds of protected files in all those directories, it will be a mess trying to figure out what copied and what didn't. I even tried to boot into safe mode, where most files aren't protected and it still didn't work. It really does work for fresh install before creating the first account.
OH, BTW, remember when doing the Windows 7 install, when you pick the drive to install windows there are several options and features at that panel. If the 2nd Disk Drive is NOT partitioned and formatted, use those features to partition and format the 2nd disc drive. If you don't, Windows won't do it, and when you get to the point where you move directories over to the D:/ Drive, Windows won't recognize the drive and it won't be available to add xcopy directories to it.
The 4 directories I moved to the D:/ drive.
- Users
- Program Files
- Program Files (x86)
- ProgramData
The guide only shows 3 of the 4 of the directories I moved, but its pretty simple, just repeat the steps for the additional directories you want to move.
This is designed to do just as your installing windows, you try to do it on an existing install or after you create the first user account on a new install and you'll have problems. I've tried it, the Robocopy and rmdir fail because you will have protected files in the directories.
Like I said before, and its in the guide, you'll run into minor problems with the "ProgramData" director, because it will have a 5 or 6 cache files in it. BUT, NOT to worry, after rebooting repeat the rmdir and mklink and it will work because the 5-6 cache files are no longer protected. Everything else is moved.
Again, if its on an existing install or after you create that first user account and log in, there will be hundreds of protected files in all those directories, it will be a mess trying to figure out what copied and what didn't. I even tried to boot into safe mode, where most files aren't protected and it still didn't work. It really does work for fresh install before creating the first account.
OH, BTW, remember when doing the Windows 7 install, when you pick the drive to install windows there are several options and features at that panel. If the 2nd Disk Drive is NOT partitioned and formatted, use those features to partition and format the 2nd disc drive. If you don't, Windows won't do it, and when you get to the point where you move directories over to the D:/ Drive, Windows won't recognize the drive and it won't be available to add xcopy directories to it.
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BlackKnight
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Fantastic information, thanks so much!
Mongo53
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Since I have 8GB RAM, I disabled my pagefile this morning, you can move the page file to the disk drive if you want, if you have enough RAM the pagefile, if you decide to keep it, will be used so little, having it on the disk drive shouldn't hurt performance. If I were to disable the hibernation, and the file removed, I'd be down to 12GB used on a 59.5GB available SSD.
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EmptyTimCup
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nice guide ......
I just changed the installer path from C:\program files(x86) to F:\Program Files (x86) when doing an install ...
(also includes just \Program Files installs as well for 64 bit software)
I just changed the installer path from C:\program files(x86) to F:\Program Files (x86) when doing an install ...
(also includes just \Program Files installs as well for 64 bit software)
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EmptyTimCup
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yeah when I ran x64 XP ... w/6gb of memory, the swap went mostly unused the same system has Win 7 now ....
I can run 6 copies of Eve Online running at the same time and use only 5 Gb of course that is pushing all 4 cores @ 75%