Fusion GPS dossier was one of the dirtiest political tricks in U.S. history

vraiblonde

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If that isn't sedition and treacherous acts high crime and treason-------what is?
The whole damned bunch belong in Gitmo. Not a regular prison but a prison designed for terrorists and traitors.

If it were up to me they'd get their heads on a pike like in the good old days.

Unfortunately half this country thinks it's okay to break the law, commit treason, and manipulate an election as long as the beneficiary is a Democrat. All those halfwits whining and throwing themselves on the floor over Trump, they won't say a word about this. Just like they didn't say a word when it came out that covid "precautions" were a hoax. They are a cult and do what the TV and social media tells them.

Nothing will come of this, watch and see. I doubt Obama, Brennan, and the rest of them are even breaking a sweat. They know they'll skate and get away with it.
 

Dakota

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If it were up to me they'd get their heads on a pike like in the good old days.

Unfortunately half this country thinks it's okay to break the law, commit treason, and manipulate an election as long as the beneficiary is a Democrat. All those halfwits whining and throwing themselves on the floor over Trump, they won't say a word about this. Just like they didn't say a word when it came out that covid "precautions" were a hoax. They are a cult and do what the TV and social media tells them.

Nothing will come of this, watch and see. I doubt Obama, Brennan, and the rest of them are even breaking a sweat. They know they'll skate and get away with it.
Totally agree. They try and justify the bad behavior but the more you learn, you clearly see we do have a two-tiered justice system.

And to think, they impeached Trump over a phone call.

So over the years, since Trump was president, we have learned our CIA, FBI and DOJ are all corrupted. How do we fix this? The military is the only way. It really is the only chance we have to reclaim our country. Nobody is going to save us. We need it all to burn to the ground and rebuild only with the components of the bare minimum focusing on why governments exists in the first place. It is going to hurt and be painful, and we have to dig our heals in and ensure we are never in this position again. The biggest question is are we too far gone?
 
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Grumpy

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How do we fix this? The military is the only way
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Hijinx

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The military is the only way. It really is the only chance we have to reclaim our country. Nobody is going to save us.
I disagree that the military is the way to go. We would end up with some general who decided to be dictator.
If it has to be done it will have to be civilians that do it.

It won't come any time soon because we are all still living too good, but when the big recession hits--and it will it could be time to water the tree of liberty
 

GURPS

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Jonathan Turley takes media to task for Russiagate coverage: 'The most essential player in this conspiracy'



After breaking down the collective effort on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the Justice Department in the collusion conspiracy, Turley turned his attention to the media, scolding the liberal pundits and other members of the press who spent years pushing the collusion narrative.

"The most essential player in this conspiracy was the media, which pumped up the [Steele] dossier as gospel," Turley, a Fox News contributor, wrote.

The Steele dossier, which has been largely discredited, contained allegations of purported coordination between Trump and the Russian government. It was authored by Christopher Steele, an ex-British intelligence officer. The Clinton campaign and the DNC funded the dossier through the law firm Perkins Coie, where Clinton lawyer Marc Elias was employed at the time. The dossier helped serve as the basis for the controversial Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) against Trump and was key in launching the Russia probe.

"On MSNBC, Rachel Maddow assured her viewers that 'no major thing from the dossier has been conclusively disproved. On CNN, one of the guests insisted, ‘I think we… actually have to stop calling it the ‘infamous dossier’ and increasingly calling it ‘accurate dossier,’ the ‘damning dossier.’' CNN host Alisyn Camerota attacked Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) and said the dossier ‘hasn’t been discredited, in fact, it has been opposite, it has been corroborated,’" Turley wrote.
 

GURPS

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Durham Report Finds FBI Failures, No Russian Collusion With Trump


The Russian in question was Igor Danchenko, who would go to work for Christopher Steele. As Steele’s “primary sub-source,” Danchenko would later provide most of the preposterous claims in the notorious “dossier.”

Durham prosecuted Danchenko last year, charging him with making false statements to the FBI, but the special counsel failed to secure a conviction. Even so, Durham did not back down in his report from discussing at length Danchenko’s involvement in the collusion story and the FBI’s investigation into evidence Danchenko was a Russian agent.

In 2008 Danchenko was an analyst at Brookings, and he used his position to solicit classified information. While “employed by the Brookings Institution,” Durham reported, Danchenko “engaged two fellow employees about whether one of the employees might be willing or able in the future to provide classified information in exchange for money.” It’s worth pointing out that this – offering to buy state secrets, not tales of peeing prostitutes – is what actual collusion with Russia looks like.

In late 2008, Barack Obama had just been elected president and was assembling the personnel for his administration. Danchenko approached a fellow Brookings employee, someone who appeared likely to be offered a position in Obama’s government, and said “he had access to people who were willing to pay for classified information.”
 

GURPS

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Paul Sperry at RealClearPolitics has an article today citing one part of the Durham report that deserves a little CTH attention.

I hope you will forgive my indulgent snickers, as the graphic you see below was created by me in early 2018, a full five years before the release of this Durham report. I even referred to the Steele Dossier as the Nellie Ohr Dossier. lol

As noted by Sperry, “According to the 306-page report, former Justice Department prosecutor Bruce Ohr’s wife Nellie Ohr first plowed the ground for the dossier with a series of research reports she wrote for Fusion GPS, the D.C.-based opposition research firm the Clinton campaign commissioned to dig up dirt on Trump and Russia.”



[…] Durham suggests Nellie Ohr planted the seeds of sourcing for the most explosive allegations leveled by the dossier against Trump, including the oft-cited notion that he and his campaign were engaged in a “well-developed conspiracy of cooperation” with the Kremlin. The dossier attributed this, falsely, to Millian. Durham found that the Belarusian-American realtor was never a source for the dossier and was simply invented as one, along with the allegations attributed to him.

In fact, Durham says that Millian initially wasn’t even on the radar of Steele and his dossier “collector” Igor Danchenko, a former Brookings Institution analyst who’s admitted much of the information he provided Steele was alcohol-lubricated gossip. Millian was called to their attention by Nellie Ohr, who the prosecutor said “implicated” Millian through her own reports. Durham suggests Steele and Danchenko merely followed her leads.

[…] Bruce Ohr, an anti-Trump Democrat, pushed his wife’s reports that cited Millian — 12 in all — onto the Crossfire Hurricane team at FBI headquarters that was investigating Trump and his campaign for possible espionage. Agents used her reports as a source of corroboration for the Steele reports they received in the summer and fall of 2016, even though it was circular reporting.

“The reports prepared by Ohr and others at Fusion GPS were ultimately provided to Crossfire Hurricane investigators by Ohr’s husband, Bruce Ohr,” according to the Durham Report.

Durham notes that Danchenko was tracking leads on Millian from Nellie Ohr within “approximately one week” of Fusion GPS retaining Steele to compile the dossier. He concludes that this “strongly supports the inference that Fusion GPS directed Steele to pursue Millian.”

In other words, Steele was not the catalyst behind the dossier’s central claims. Rather, it was Clinton’s contractor Fusion GPS — but more specifically, the wife of a senior DOJ official who worked for Fusion. So the FBI wasn’t really investigating “Crown reporting,” as officials referred to Steele’s dossier, implying it was British intelligence. More accurately, it was investigating information from inside its own department that was laundered through Steele and his dossier. (read more)




 

Ken King

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The only thing we can hope for is that there is some facet of the military that is going to step in.
This is absurd beyond belief, you are calling for a junta to forcefully put an end to our constitutional republic.
 

Grumpy

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This is absurd beyond belief, you are calling for a junta to forcefully put an end to our constitutional republic.
Then what do you do when you have un-elected officals (DOJ, FBI, CIA, etc) basically pushing an unconstitutional agenda and ignoring laws? Who do you go to that isn't corrupt?
 

Dakota

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Then what do you do when you have un-elected officals (DOJ, FBI, CIA, etc) basically pushing an unconstitutional agenda and ignoring laws? Who do you go to that isn't corrupt?
exactly - those are the questions that just roll around in my mind.

Things like this don't make me feel warm and cozy. Where do we go from here and how do we get there?


 

Ken King

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Then what do you do when you have un-elected officals (DOJ, FBI, CIA, etc) basically pushing an unconstitutional agenda and ignoring laws? Who do you go to that isn't corrupt?
Yep, it is a problem, but where you go is to the voters, we the people. Convince them and get the vote out for those you "hope" will change the system. But nothing is guaranteed.

Who would this military take-over install and what evil would they thrust upon their subjects?
 

Dakota

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Call me naive, I deserve it to some degree, no doubt. More than two decades ago, I went into a line of work that was basically social work. I was friendly, believed the best of people and had high hopes. Later, I turned into somebody untrusting, who prefers isolation, that would rather animal/bird watch than participate in the world at large. I think a large majority of people would sell themselves out for a buck and for power, meaning everyone has a price tag. All I have seen these past 5-6 years is questionable behavior and downright shade in our government. Sure, we may have suspected before that point, but now, a great number of infractions are known. Bottom line, I have no faith in our elections. I'm not saying bow out and abandoned ship, but I have serious doubts.
 

Hijinx

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The Dossier came from Christopher Steele a former British Intelligence officer.
We know how good intelligence officers are. We had 51 of them try to destroy Trump by lying about the Hunter Biden lap top.
With Intelligence like that 51 and Steele, we are better off without it.

America has always bragged about it's free press, but should a press be free to spread lies and encourage treason in the form of outright attempts to destroy a legally elected President?
I believe that Trump loves America and that any association he may have had was in the best interest of the United States. The leaders of countries should speak to each other and have some idea of what is going on in the minds of each other. While trump was President , Palin knew better than to invade Ukraine and we were not listening to Russian threats of Nuclear war.
Which was better Trump speaking to Palin or Biden causing a war with Russia.
 

Grumpy

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Who would this military take-over install and what evil would they thrust upon their subjects?
I am not advocating for the military to take over. Seems at every level of the upper reaches of the govt, they have weeded out folks that aren't onboard with their agenda. Seems you can have a D or R controlled House or Senate and the officials of the various Govt Departments / Services just ignore, slow walk, etc any oversight by Congress, and these are the unelected folks I am talking about.
 

Ken King

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Call me naive, I deserve it to some degree, no doubt. More than two decades ago, I went into a line of work that was basically social work. I was friendly, believed the best of people and had high hopes. Later, I turned into somebody untrusting, who prefers isolation, that would rather animal/bird watch than participate in the world at large. I think a large majority of people would sell themselves out for a buck and for power, meaning everyone has a price tag. All I have seen these past 5-6 years is questionable behavior and downright shade in our government. Sure, we may have suspected before that point, but now, a great number of infractions are known. Bottom line, I have no faith in our elections. I'm not saying bow out and abandoned ship, but I have serious doubts.
I too don't trust them any further than I can toss them. What, in my opinion, is visibly wrong can be related to the passing of the USA PATRIOT Act. Consolidation of almost all executive agencies under Homeland Security and the misdeeds of the powers that were promised to never be abused. This allowed for the collusion amongst a few to achieve their desires of an autocratic system.

As to elections, Congress could and has the authority to correct the misdeeds as to how elections are conducted (other than the place). They have been silent while some states have months long voting processes, where some states accept mail-ins up to two weeks after election day. Hell, some states use bulk mailing for the return of the ballots even though there is no postmarking indicating date of receipt. We have some states that don't follow their own rules and laws and have allowed courts or Secretary of States to change the process that is the function of the legislature. But to change it the people need to elect those that agree it has become the problem while battling those that have sought this outcome.

We were warned by our founders that political factions would be the downfall of the republic, but like most sound advice it has been ignored.
 

GURPS

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Yep, it is a problem, but where you go is to the voters, we the people. Convince them and get the vote out for those you "hope" will change the system. But nothing is guaranteed.


This is why we have the 2nd Amendment
 

stgislander

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I too don't trust them any further than I can toss them. What, in my opinion, is visibly wrong can be related to the passing of the USA PATRIOT Act. Consolidation of almost all executive agencies under Homeland Security and the misdeeds of the powers that were promised to never be abused. This allowed for the collusion amongst a few to achieve their desires of an autocratic system.

As to elections, Congress could and has the authority to correct the misdeeds as to how elections are conducted (other than the place). They have been silent while some states have months long voting processes, where some states accept mail-ins up to two weeks after election day. Hell, some states use bulk mailing for the return of the ballots even though there is no postmarking indicating date of receipt. We have some states that don't follow their own rules and laws and have allowed courts or Secretary of States to change the process that is the function of the legislature. But to change it the people need to elect those that agree it has become the problem while battling those that have sought this outcome.

We were warned by our founders that political factions would be the downfall of the republic, but like most sound advice it has been ignored.
And those of us who were very wary of the Patriot Act back in 2001 (and every reauthorization since) were all but run out of town for supporting terrorism.
 

Ken King

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And those of us who were very wary of the Patriot Act back in 2001 (and every reauthorization since) were all but run out of town for supporting terrorism.
Yep, and the famous "If you have nothing to hide it shouldn't matter to you".
 
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